Cool archaeological find

[Rain Man]

Check this out. It's amazing what's buried out there.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,452365,00.html

Stone Age Temple May Be Birthplace of Civilization
Friday, November 14, 2008

It's more than twice as old as the Pyramids, or even the written word. When it was built, saber-toothed tigers and woolly mammoths still roamed, and the Ice Age had just ended.

The elaborate temple at Gobelki Tepe in southeastern Turkey, near the Syrian border, is staggeringly ancient: 11,500 years old, from a time just before humans learned to farm grains and domesticate animals.

According to the German archaeologist in charge of excavations at the site, it might be the birthplace of agriculture, of organized religion — of civilization itself.

"This is the first human-built holy place," Klaus Schmidt of the German Archaeological Institute says in the November issue of Smithsonian magazine.

Schmidt and his colleagues say no evidence of permanent settlement has been found at the site, although there are remains of butchered animals and edible plants.

However, all of the bones are from wild animals, and all the vegetation from wild plants. That means the massive structure was built by a hunter-gatherer society, not a settled agricultural one.

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Massive amounts of manpower would have been needed to build the site, a logistical problem that may have spurred the builders to begin planting grain and herding wild sheep, Schmidt thinks.

Wild grain ancestral to modern wheat grows nearby, and the site itself is just outside the city of Sanliurfa, known as Edessa to the Crusaders — and which locals say is the Biblical city of Ur, birthplace of Abraham. The Euphrates flows eighty miles to the west, putting Gobelki Tepe smack in the middle of the Fertile Crescent.

"This shows sociocultural changes come first, agriculture comes later," Stanford archaeologist Ian Hodder tells Smithsonian magazine. "You can make a good case this area is the real origin of complex Neolithic societies."

[Dayze]

you guys are slipping

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by bevischief

They just found a city in Africa that is about 200,000 years old.

Link?

[Easy 6]

Interesting stuff, for those into this stuff you should check out America Unearthed, i watched it for the first time last night.

Pretty cool story, the found a big rock in an arizona cave with anglo-saxon runes on it that were an ode to an englishman from the 1100's, looong before Columbus supposedly discovered the new world.

They think his body is buried there, and ground penetrating radar seems to confirm it, but they werent able to dig there for the show due to the lengthy permit process in arizona.

That would be some pretty wild news, englishmen in arizona some 500 years before any known discovery of america.

I think we've been sold a bill of goods with Columbus, hell they've got viking artifacts up in minnesota and wisconsin.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by scott free

Interesting stuff, for those into this stuff you should check out America Unearthed, i watched it for the first time last night.

Pretty cool story, the found a big rock in an arizona cave with anglo-saxon runes on it that were an ode to an englishman from the 1100's, looong before Columbus supposedly discovered the new world.

They think his body is buried there, and ground penetrating radar seems to confirm it, but they werent able to dig there for the show due to the lengthy permit process in arizona.

That would be some pretty wild news, englishmen in arizona some 500 years before any known discovery of america.

I think we've been sold a bill of goods with Columbus, hell they've got viking artifacts up in minnesota and wisconsin.

Oh, yeah. I absolutely agree that the "Columbus discovered America" myth is pure bullshit. I'm stunned that Anglo-Saxon runes would be found on a stone in Arizona. That's an incredible journey from the Northern East coast of the continent. I would see why it would be worthy of documenting at the time.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Link?

Yeah, link? I'd like to read about this.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by scott free

Interesting stuff, for those into this stuff you should check out America Unearthed, i watched it for the first time last night.

Pretty cool story, the found a big rock in an arizona cave with anglo-saxon runes on it that were an ode to an englishman from the 1100's, looong before Columbus supposedly discovered the new world.

They think his body is buried there, and ground penetrating radar seems to confirm it, but they werent able to dig there for the show due to the lengthy permit process in arizona.

That would be some pretty wild news, englishmen in arizona some 500 years before any known discovery of america.

I think we've been sold a bill of goods with Columbus, hell they've got viking artifacts up in minnesota and wisconsin.

Wow.

Is that a credible show? That seems almost too fantastic to believe.

I agree on the Columbus thing, and I think it's well documented that Vikings were wandering around long before him. But Anglo-Saxon stuff in Arizona would be quite the discovery, and the bigger question I would have about it is the lack of documentation in England if they had people wandering around that far west.

[AirForceChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, link? I'd like to read about this.

Here you go: my court reporter shared these links a while back...

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...si-photography

http://s.ngm.com/2011/06/gobekli-tep...illars-615.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, link? I'd like to read about this.

I found a website that discusses it, but the site looks shoddy at best. Here's another (questionable site) that I haven't dug through yet: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread918475/pg1

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by AirForceChief

Here you go: my court reporter shared these links a while back...

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...si-photography

http://s.ngm.com/2011/06/gobekli-tep...illars-615.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

I think he was referring to the 200,000 year old African structure/civilization.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, link? I'd like to read about this.

If it helps, there are alien and ancient gods conspiracists referring to the site/people as "Annunaki." It's really, really hard to dig through the goofy shit in order to find useful info.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I found a website that discusses it, but the site looks shoddy at best. Here's another (questionable site) that I haven't dug through yet: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread918475/pg1

Oh, so it was an alien city. That's more feasible. I thought it was a human city. My bad.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by scott free

Interesting stuff, for those into this stuff you should check out America Unearthed, i watched it for the first time last night.

Pretty cool story, the found a big rock in an arizona cave with anglo-saxon runes on it that were an ode to an englishman from the 1100's, looong before Columbus supposedly discovered the new world.

They think his body is buried there, and ground penetrating radar seems to confirm it, but they werent able to dig there for the show due to the lengthy permit process in arizona.

That would be some pretty wild news, englishmen in arizona some 500 years before any known discovery of america.

I think we've been sold a bill of goods with Columbus, hell they've got viking artifacts up in minnesota and wisconsin.

those were the guys that proved the world is flat /the pope

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Oh, so it was an alien city. That's more feasible. I thought it was a human city. My bad.

Sure.

[Rausch]

It seems that every other week we're pulling artifacts out older than -5,000 years old.

I'm not ready to push ET into the equation but I think we were greatly evolved at some point and then disintegrated back down for whatever reason...

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by scott free

Interesting stuff, for those into this stuff you should check out America Unearthed, i watched it for the first time last night.

Pretty cool story, the found a big rock in an arizona cave with anglo-saxon runes on it that were an ode to an englishman from the 1100's, looong before Columbus supposedly discovered the new world.

They think his body is buried there, and ground penetrating radar seems to confirm it, but they werent able to dig there for the show due to the lengthy permit process in arizona.

That would be some pretty wild news, englishmen in arizona some 500 years before any known discovery of america.

I think we've been sold a bill of goods with Columbus, hell they've got viking artifacts up in minnesota and wisconsin.

This is bogus. What they found in Arizona was a hoax.