Chiefs can rescind the tag on Albert

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Fish

Pat, this practice is by no means limited to the Ravens. Look at San Fran's depth chart. Who's their backup tackles?

San Fran depth chart: http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/...rancisco-49ers

How about the Patriots?

http://www.patriots.com/games-and-st...pth-chart.html

Or the Packers, where Dorsey was involved?

http://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart.html

Look at the way these playoff teams handled their backup OLine situation. You'll find in many cases there are no backup tackles, or they have 1 backup for multiple positions. You're grossly overestimating how they supply the OLine position.

No one is advocating that we carry a front-line-quality, ready-to-start-now offensive tackle as a backup. That shouldn't be so hard to understand.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No one is advocating that we carry a front-line-quality, ready-to-start-now offensive tackle as a backup. That shouldn't be so hard to understand.

Could have fooled me....

Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't accept your evaluation. Replacing the worst member of the line with a guy talented enough to be considered for the 1.1 pick is going to make the line better. More importantly, it's likely to make the line better over the next several years, not just in year one.

Originally Posted by patteeu

I'm one of the dumb****s who thinks the line is important and that it's long term quality should be treated as a high priority.

Originally Posted by patteeu

Offensive line isn't a place where you want just-in-time replacements, particularly if you're going to rely on mid-to-late round picks. Waiting until next year to decide that you need an immediate replacement for BA and that Stephenson isn't going to cut it is a bad position to end up in.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Fish

Could have fooled me....

I guess I did. Nowhere have I advocated carrying a starter as a backup. If anything, I've suggested the possibility that Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson would go back to being backups where they can continue to develop and maybe, a year from now, one of them might be ready to step in somewhere along the line.

And FTR, I'm also not advocating a LT at 1.1, but if it happens, I'll understand it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I guess I did. Nowhere have I advocated carrying a starter as a backup. If anything, I've suggested the possibility that Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson would go back to being backups where they can continue to develop and maybe, a year from now, one of them might be ready to step in somewhere along the line.

And FTR, I'm also not advocating a LT at 1.1, but if it happens, I'll understand it.

Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson are the current backups. We still don't know how good they will be. If we draft other linemen, we will not retain those new rookies plus Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson. Because teams don't carry that many OLinemen. So at the least, you're advocating that we give up on previous #44 overall pick and #74 overall picks, and replace them with other unknowns before you yourself are even sure about their potential. So any outcome is going to be a waste of good draft picks.

It's a dumb approach. Our current linemen are good enough, and our currently backups have enough potential, that OLine is very far from a need that should be addressed before QB and even other positions.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Fish

Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson are the current backups. We still don't know how good they will be. If we draft other linemen, we will not retain those new rookies plus Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson. Because teams don't carry that many OLinemen. So at the least, you're advocating that we give up on previous #44 overall pick and #74 overall picks, and replace them with other unknowns before you yourself are even sure about their potential. So any outcome is going to be a waste of good draft picks.

It's a dumb approach. Our current linemen are good enough, and our currently backups have enough potential, that OLine is very far from a need that should be addressed before QB and even other positions.

I have to agree with the fish. Stephenson is a quality backup with starter potential at this point in my mind. He flashed a lot last year, but also made some rookie mistakes. Allen appears to have a bit further to go, but is certainly serviceable at this juncture.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Fish

Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson are the current backups. We still don't know how good they will be. If we draft other linemen, we will not retain those new rookies plus Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson. Because teams don't carry that many OLinemen. So at the least, you're advocating that we give up on previous #44 overall pick and #74 overall picks, and replace them with other unknowns before you yourself are even sure about their potential. So any outcome is going to be a waste of good draft picks.

It's a dumb approach. Our current linemen are good enough, and our currently backups have enough potential, that OLine is very far from a need that should be addressed before QB and even other positions.

Someone has to start at LG. If those two are current backups, we have an empty spot on the line. And a second spot is up in the air for 2014 depending on what happens with Albert.

So no. What you say I'm advocating is not what I'm advocating. You're building a strawman (perhaps unintentionally if you didn't realize that Ryan Lilja is retiring). OLine is a need.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Someone has to start at LG. If those two are current backups, we have an empty spot on the line. And a second spot is up in the air for 2014 depending on what happens with Albert.

So no. What you say I'm advocating is not what I'm advocating. You're building a strawman (perhaps unintentionally if you didn't realize that Ryan Lilja is retiring). OLine is a need.

Allen is starting at LG, and Hochstein is backing him up. So not really......

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Fish

Allen is starting at LG, and Hochstein is backing him up. So not really......

Yeah, he's on the depth chart. That doesn't mean we don't have a hole though. If Dorsey had let Branden Albert walk, we'd have had Donald Stephenson as a starter, so why'd he waste Chiefs money on that franchise tag, am I right?