John Abraham is a Patriot

[Mr. Laz]

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I am told that DE John Abraham is now a New England Patriot.
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['Hamas' Jenkins]

And the 20 other ****tards they've whiffed on?

[shocked]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And the 20 other ****tards they've whiffed on?

Are you replying to me?

Who are these 20 DEs NE allegedly drafted that were bad?

[Chieftain58]

Burp

[milkman]

Bill Bellichick is the luckiest SOB alive.

Won SBs with a defense that built, for the most part, by Pete Carroll, and an elite QB that he stumbled upon in the 6th round.

[HMc]

Freeney is supposed to have visited NE today also. Him Abraham and Wilfork would be a handful, if only for a season or two.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by milkman

Bill Bellichick is the luckiest SOB alive.

Won SBs with a defense that built, for the most part, by Pete Carroll, and an elite QB that he stumbled upon in the 6th round.

Parcells had a big hand in that defense too, at least with the big name guys... Law, McGinest, Malloy, Bruschi.

That's what is funny about it. When they were winning titles the thought was Belichick was the only reason Parcells ever won anything. Fast forward 10 years and Belichick has never won a title without Weis and Crennel. Certainly some luck involved, but they were both competent coordinators, as we saw in Haley's only decent season as HC. Since they left Bill has tried to be the defensive genius, while hiring young offensive minds to act as OC.

[Mother****erJones]

Freeney please sign with NE and **** over Denver. Then Dumervil go somewhere else too

[shocked]

Originally Posted by milkman

Bill Bellichick is the luckiest SOB alive.

Won SBs with a defense that built, for the most part, by Pete Carroll, and an elite QB that he stumbled upon in the 6th round.

Is that avatar of yours talking to you?

Who'd Pete Caroll draft/acquire? Tebucky Jones? LOL.

The defense sucked under him.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by shocked

Is that avatar of yours talking to you?

Who'd Pete Caroll draft/acquire? Tebucky Jones? LOL.

The defense sucked under him.

My memory may have failed me as to who actually drafted the players, as TK13 has already corected me on that.

The main point, however, still remains that Bellichick hasn't produced the same since those players moved on.

His drafts have been mediocre.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

WILFORK + ABRAHAM = RAPE

Past their prime

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life

Freeney please sign with NE and **** over Denver. Then Dumervil go somewhere else too

That would be nice. And that's what they are thinking out here since they stole Welker away but then Welker was actually giving the finger to Bill

[shocked]

Originally Posted by milkman

My memory may have failed me as to who actually drafted the players, as TK13 has already corected me on that.

The main point, however, still remains that Bellichick hasn't produced the same since those players moved on.

That's reeruned. You can't just lose a fleet of pro bowlers on D and expect to move on without missing a beat. Unrealistic expectations, on your part. Oh, and they were just in a SB two years ago. I'd say they've rebuilt, not in all the same areas, but they've rebuilt....

His drafts have been mediocre.

Yeah, because their '10 draft of Gronk, Hernandez, McCourtey, Spikes wasn't a, like, a grand slam and already one of the best you'll see all decade....

(Picking up Chandler Jones, Donte Hightower, Dennard just last year looking pretty good, too)

Not that it matters, because you are trying insinuate that drafting All-Pro caliber players (plural), on a regular basis, is somehow a realistic expectation on a yearly basis. That's an utterly reeruned mindset.

It's like watching a baseball game, seeing your favorite player go 3-for-4 with a HR, and then expecting him to do that every game. As if a .750 BA and 162 HRs is a legit benchmark. That kind of game/draft will happen once every-now and then for a great player; but it isn't happening every time. The draft is the same way.

[milkman]

Bellichick has drafted mediocre players on defense, the side of the ball I am talking about, to replace the guys he's inherited.

There have been just a couple of good players mixed in, but no playmakers or difference makers to speak of.

Meanwhile, the Steelers find those guys year after year, regardless of draft position.

[shocked]

Originally Posted by milkman

Bellichick has drafted mediocre players on defense, the side of the ball I am talking about, to replace the guys he's inherited.

1) Oh, did Belichick "inherit" Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, and Asante too? Well, those guys were all drafted SB winners. So, it wasn't just because Belichick inherited some all star D....that somehow Pete Caroll sucked-ass with in regards to his record.

2) Compare those 4 drafted players to the ones Bill inherited: Tedy Bruschi and Ted Johnson were not well known/respected players before Belichick. And McGinest and Ty Law were high round picks, but really weren't living up to expectations until Belichick came along....

There have been just a couple of good players mixed in, but no playmakers or difference makers to speak of.

Meanwhile, the Steelers find those guys year after year, regardless of draft position.

Hey genius? The Steelers are in deep crap for this upcoming year. Hmm. Why is that? Oh, yeah? Because so many of their vets are getting old. Sorta the same problem Belichick encountered a few years bach, huh? So, Pit has lost players, and they don't have replacements either. So, where are those easy drafted-replacements you speak of? Yeah, I think Pit is going to experience some bumps in the road. But that's expected. Almost unavoidable, really.

So, The Patriots are in way better shape right now than Pit. Will the Steelers rebound? Sure. But it'll take time.....which was my entire point in regards to NE, as well.

Also, lol. You want to bash "inherited" success, yet you cite The Pittsburgh Steelers as a counter example of this? Don't make me laugh. That team hangs on to old vets longer than anyone.

(Oh, Baltimore's GM, Ozzie Newsome, is the other GM that constantly gets compared to Belichick too. Guess what? He is currently losing a ton of his players; including the two HOF players he inherited (reed+ray) and I guarantee you that Baltimore is going to have some major personnel gaps this year and beyond. So does that make Ozzie a bad GM? Hell no. It's just that anyone who isn't a moron knows that you cannot just draft All-Pros multiple times, year-in and year-out. Duh.)

[milkman]

The Steelers have been among the league leaders consistently since the 90s.

The Ravens have been there for the last 12-13 years.

Meanwhile, the Patriots have floudered among middle of the pack to among the worst for the last 7-8 years.

Bellichick doesn't come close to matching either of those teams on the defensive side.

To his credit, he has done a much better job on the offensive side, overall.