ESPN Audibles talking Chiefs

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Right now. Everyone, even Herm is saying that the Chiefs are going to challenge the Broncos for the AFC West this upcoming season. Herm thought we drafted well. At least we're getting some love from ESPN. Haters, it's time to hate.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by patteeu

You're right. A guy drafted in the 2nd round of a bad QB class was much more likely to change water into wine than Alex Smith is to make the Chiefs the kind of contender that Trent Green made us.

I'm sorry your messiah was crucified on day one of the draft.

Still beating that same old drum eh?

Is that all you have to bring to the conversation? Bashing on Geno while still ignoring the entire reason why fans wanted Geno in the first place?

Im not having this conversation with you again simply because you're far too dense to understand how & why people became passionate about a young, talented, developing QB.

[Shox]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Right now. Everyone, even Herm is saying that the Chiefs are going to challenge the Broncos for the AFC West this upcoming season. Herm thought we drafted well. At least we're getting some love from ESPN. Haters, it's time to hate.

The Broncos have tough schedule:

Ravens, @Giants, Eagles, @Cowboys, Jaguars, @Indy, Redskins, @ NE, Titans, @ Texans plus division games.

Road games at Giants, Cowboys, Indy, NE and Texans could all be possible losses. I doubt they lose them all so even if they lose 4 of them and maybe the Ravens at home. That is still only 5 losses. I think we will challenge them, but I think in the end the Broncos still win the division at 11-5 and the Chiefs finish a couple of games back.

[ptlyon]

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Look it up, that's been my standard for closing in on 15 years online, and longer than that IRL.

The gunslinger can be fun, an Aaron Rodgers can be REALLY fun, but its not the only way to skin a cat [feel free to make your case for Aikman the gunslinger], especially if the rest of the team is sound.

And the Cassel comparisons are directed at the Cassel 2.0 crowd. It's not my gold, silver, bronze or pot metal standard.

Statistically, yes he compares to Cassel. Now, that doesn't mean i think he PLAYS like Cassel. Obviously not, and I doubt you would find a single reputable poster that would say that he plays like Cassel.

But that doesn't make him the answer either.

You see, that's the reason why so many wanted Geno. Sitting a young talented QB behind a game manager like Alex, makes sense. I suppose that's why people are excited about Bray. He has a chance to develop.

But in all of this Me VS You or, Patt's favorite, Alex vs Geno, the objective is lost.

And that objective is to find and develop a true Franchise QB so we can move away from these game manager brand QB's.

...you know....kinda like what SF did when they replaced Alex Smith.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Shox

The Broncos have tough schedule:

Ravens, @Giants, Eagles, @Cowboys, Jaguars, @Indy, Redskins, @ NE, Titans, @ Texans plus division games.

Road games at Giants, Cowboys, Indy, NE and Texans could all be possible losses. I doubt they lose them all so even if they lose 4 of them and maybe the Ravens at home. That is still only 5 losses. I think we will challenge them, but I think in the end the Broncos still win the division at 11-5 and the Chiefs finish a couple of games back.

Ho lyyyyy shit.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Still beating that same old drum eh?

Is that all you have to bring to the conversation? Bashing on Geno while still ignoring the entire reason why fans wanted Geno in the first place?

Im not having this conversation with you again simply because you're far too dense to understand how & why people became passionate about a young, talented, developing QB.

A little humility on your part is in order after being so monumentally wrong about everything for the past 6 months.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Statistically, yes he compares to Cassel. Now, that doesn't mean i think he PLAYS like Cassel. Obviously not, and I doubt you would find a single reputable poster that would say that he plays like Cassel.

But that doesn't make him the answer either.

You see, that's the reason why so many wanted Geno. Sitting a young talented QB behind a game manager like Alex, makes sense. I suppose that's why people are excited about Bray. He has a chance to develop.

But in all of this Me VS You or, Patt's favorite, Alex vs Geno, the objective is lost.

And that objective is to find and develop a true Franchise QB so we can move away from these game manager brand QB's.

...you know....kinda like what SF did when they replaced Alex Smith.

And drafted Alex Smith

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Statistically, yes he compares to Cassel. Now, that doesn't mean i think he PLAYS like Cassel. Obviously not, and I doubt you would find a single reputable poster that would say that he plays like Cassel.

But that doesn't make him the answer either.

You see, that's the reason why so many wanted Geno. Sitting a young talented QB behind a game manager like Alex, makes sense. I suppose that's why people are excited about Bray. He has a chance to develop.

But in all of this Me VS You or, Patt's favorite, Alex vs Geno, the objective is lost.

And that objective is to find and develop a true Franchise QB so we can move away from these game manager brand QB's.

...you know....kinda like what SF did when they replaced Alex Smith.

My favorite is actually rational CP posters vs unrepentant Geno nuts.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by patteeu

A little humility on your part is in order after being so monumentally wrong about everything for the past 6 months.

The only thing i was wrong about is him going in the 1st.

The idea and philosophy still stands. I never made ridiculous claims about what Geno Smith will or won't do in the NFL, even though that's what you'd like to believe.

I've stated my reasons for wanting what was widely considered to be the top QB in the draft class, and those reason have not waivered.

And If Alex Smith proves to be what I think he is, mediocre, we'll be right here doing this again, having this same conversation again next season, just like we've been doing for the past 4-5 seasons.

Rinse & repeat until the Chiefs finally take the plunge.

[Frosty]

When you have been watching Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko, Brady Quinn, Brodie Croyle and Damon Huard at QB for your team for the last 7 years, any reasonably competent QB can look like the second coming of Joe Montana. Shit, people went nuts for Kyle Orton.

It doesn't mean that he is "the Answer"; just that he is better than terrible.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Statistically, yes he compares to Cassel. Now, that doesn't mean i think he PLAYS like Cassel. Obviously not, and I doubt you would find a single reputable poster that would say that he plays like Cassel.

Those statistics came in two scenarios, first when the whole team was shit, second when he had a stout D and running game to rely on. Cassel's stats came under the scenario that he sucks and CAN'T produce.

Is it possible that AS can't produce even with a solid team around him? Yes. Is it certain or has it been a running theme dogging him? No.

Also, 2011 and the 2012, up to his concussion, strongly suggested that he could produce when called upon.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Fish

I was an admitted Herm supporter back in the day. He had a good eye for talent, for sure. Not the greatest game day coach, but we really haven't seen anything better since. I have my doubts on whether Reid will have a dramatic impact on changing that.

I still have a soft spot for ol Herm as well, he had his merits... but lets not say Reid wont be any more dynamic.

Herms idea of offense? run LJ up Caseys ass 30 times a game.

Reids idea of offense? chuck it, then keep chucking it.

[ptlyon]

OMFG - measuring good coaches to Herman Edwards?

Just ****ing fold the team now Clark.

[FringeNC]

In yards per play, Chiefs were #27 on offense last year, and #27 on defense. This defense sucked just as bad as the offense. How much was Crennel? That's the big question. Talk of the Chiefs' D being elite is crazy, though...

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

And that objective is to find and develop a true Franchise QB so we can move away from these game manager brand QB's.

Do you accept even the possibility of a

smart
accurate
mobile
clutch

game manager?


Or at least the difference between that and 'try not to **** up' game manager.

I'm not looking for a 'mediocre' QB. I'm looking for a guy who's smart and poised and who recognizes when the running game has the hot hand, and when the clock needs run, when the D need a breather. Who doesn't hurt the team with unnecessary gambles. Who doesn't lose poise. Who's capable of the clutch score when needed.

Again, I freely invite people to assemble specific footage establishing that AS can never be that guy.

But

'He's mediocre'
or
'You're going to be bitterly disappointed'

is no argument at all.

Again, Favre and Rodgers are awesome. They also come along once in a generation.

Give me a guy with the attributes I've cited, and put a competent team around him, and I'll watch rapt.