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Old 07-19-2013, 06:59 AM  
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Alex Smith: Chief's aren't running a "Cookie-cutter" offense
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QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:43 AM   #1261
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Homers always think scheme is going to fix a defense that has shitty players.

I'm not saying this defense is going to suck. But if you think those players are part of a top 10 unit, and are trying to make comparisons to the 2009 Jets (who also had vastly superior safety play with Leonhard and Rhodes), you're off the reservation.
No people that understand that there are different defensive philosophies in the NFL understand that numbers can be presented in a fashion that is favorable to a person's agenda.

I never said they would be top 10, I was just calling you on your awful presentation of statistics.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:45 AM   #1262
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No people that understand that there are different defensive philosophies in the NFL understand that numbers can be presented in a fashion that is favorable to a person's agenda.

I never said they would be top 10, I was just calling you on your awful presentation of statistics.
Scheme is not tripling the amount of pressure we get from our DL.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:47 AM   #1263
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You're not fielding a top 10 defense with that group up front.

Combined DL pressures for the 2009 Jets: 42

Combined DL pressures for the 2012 Chiefs: 14
Combined DL pressures for the 2011 Chiefs 25 (10 of which came from Wallace Gilberry)

Starting to get the picture?

That Jets defense was #4 in the NFL in YPC allowed. Last year we were 25th.

You're asking for a quantum leap which just isn't happening.
Yeah. We get the picture. You can't tell the difference between a defensive scheme and a punt formation.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:48 AM   #1264
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Scheme is not tripling the amount of pressure we get from our DL.
But I'll bet the gap won't be as large as you presented it either.

You wanted to show how superior the other team was by under-cutting ours, plain and simple. But it can't be done that way because there were two different approaches to each teams defense, therefore your argument is invalid.

That's all I was pointing out.
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You wanted to show how superior the other team was by under-cutting ours, plain and simple. But it can't be done that way because there were two different approaches to each teams defense, therefore your argument is invalid.
It doesn't matter. You're talking about a vast chasm between DL ability in these two teams.

Sione Pouha was the #1 ranked nose tackle against the run in 2009.

Shaun Ellis is literally on a different planet than Tyson Jackson when it comes to being an NFL player.

Oh, and Kerry Rhodes was the top safety in football.

I'll be very happy if our defense is ranked #16.
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Yeah. We get the picture. You can't tell the difference between a defensive scheme and a punt formation.
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You're not fielding a top 10 defense with that group up front.

Combined DL pressures for the 2009 Jets: 42

Combined DL pressures for the 2012 Chiefs: 14
Combined DL pressures for the 2011 Chiefs 25 (10 of which came from Wallace Gilberry)

Starting to get the picture?

That Jets defense was #4 in the NFL in YPC allowed. Last year we were 25th.

You're asking for a quantum leap which just isn't happening.
You need to ask yourself what really is the main difference in these stats. Is it players or is it scheme?

Crennel's read and react, two-gap, hold 'em up 34 or Sutton's one-gap, attack at the snap 34.

As I've already stated, Crennel was putting handcuffs on these guys, especially the defensive line. As well, you were looking at a #2 CB in either Routt or Arenas who wasn't very good in press coverage and a safety position where Lewis was hurt. In addition, you had a MLB who was hungover or drunk and psychotic every single Sunday.

As well, they were on the field against the run for the vast majority of the season in 2012 due to the offensive ineptitude of Daboll and Cassel.

And yet Hali and Houston still manage 20 sacks between them, DJ is one of the best ILB in the NFL and Berry is one of the top strong safeties despite dog shit defensive play calling and playing against road grading running plays all season long.

We've upgraded at RDE, and the new scheme should be a substantially better fit for guys like Poe, Bailey and Jackson. In fact, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Poe rotate out to the LDE spot and Powe and Toribio man the middle in a 46 type of alignment. Powe showed an ability to collapse the pocket in the 2012 preseason consistently from the nose.

I'm absolutely befuddled at your negativism regarding the potential for this defense in 2013. From a personnel standpoint, it's damn near perfect for what Sutton is going to run.

Eh...whatever. Keep standing on the street corner and screaming to the skies...
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It doesn't matter. You're talking about a vast chasm between DL ability in these two teams.

Sione Pouha was the #1 ranked nose tackle against the run in 2009.

Shaun Ellis is literally on a different planet than Tyson Jackson when it comes to being an NFL player.

Oh, and Kerry Rhodes was the top safety in football.

I'll be very happy if our defense is ranked #16.
Time will tell, I think we'll be top 15 for sure.
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I'm absolutely befuddled at your negativism regarding the potential for this defense in 2013. From a personnel standpoint, it's damn near perfect for what Sutton is going to run.
It's not negative to say the #27 defense can improve to the middle of the pack.

It is, however, absolute insanity to say it has a chance to be top 10.
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It's not negative to say the #27 defense can improve to the middle of the pack.

It is, however, absolute insanity to say it has a chance to be top 10.
Color me insane.

I absolutely believe that when the 2013 season is over, the Chiefs defense will be ranked in the top 10.
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Don't forget we got some pretty good quarterbacks to play this year as well:

Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Matt Schaub
Peyton Manning (Twice)
Phillip Rivers (Twice)
RGIII
Andrew Luck

We have 9 games with quarterbacks in the top half of the league.
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My main concern is continuity in the defense. We have so many new faces that will vie for starting time that the cohesion might not be there immediately. That is the only thing that is keeping me from thinking these guys will be a top 10 defense. Personnel, I don't think, will be the issue.
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Personnel, I don't think, will be the issue.
Tyson Jackson and Kendrick Lewis are shit players in any scheme.
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Then you will be pleased. You can hate all you want but Smith has significantly more talent than castle. You set the bar at castle's best I think it should be higher because he has more talent. Remains to be seen if we get that production but the talent is there to expect more without being delusional.
smith has significantly more natural skill than cassel but he hasn't been a significantly better player.

Imo Cassel and Smith are in the same classification of QB.


A - franchise QB that makes players around him better
B - Winning elite QB
C - competent QB that can play on a winning team
D - backup that you don't want playing for any extended length of time
F - Not NFL level

A - Brady,Manning
B - Flacco,Roethlisberger
C - Alex Smith(C+)Matt Cassel(C-)
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My main concern is continuity in the defense. We have so many new faces that will vie for starting time that the cohesion might not be there immediately. That is the only thing that is keeping me from thinking these guys will be a top 10 defense. Personnel, I don't think, will be the issue.
I think that the defense is pretty well set and the vast majority of it are veterans (also consider that DeVito is probably the most experienced in the specific scheme Sutton will run):

Flowers Houston Jackson Poe DeVito Hali Smith
Johnson Johnson
Berry Lewis

That's three new guys, with DeVito very experienced in the scheme. The rest of this starting group has three years of starting playing experience together (with Poe being the exception, but he started for the entire 2012 season).

This unit should have excellent continuity and cohesion right from the get go.
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