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Old 08-17-2013, 08:33 AM  
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The ground can't cause a fumble
This used to be a clear cut rule. No subjective bullshit involved. Now it seems like yet another way for the refs to influence the outcome of a game. Discuss.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:00 PM   #16
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I doubt the ref knew he was injured when the call was made.
It wasn't obvious when he was rolling around grabbing his arm?
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:01 PM   #17
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It wasn't obvious when he was rolling around grabbing his arm?
Again, the call was made before that. When the ball comes out.

Edit: Actually, I was wrong. It appears to have been called down, initially.

Replay overturned it.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:06 PM   #18
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Again, the call was made before that. When the ball comes out.
Say whatever you want, that wasn't a fumble. At no point did McCluster lose control of the ball until he injured his arm and just let go of the ball.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:08 PM   #19
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Say whatever you want, that wasn't a fumble. At no point did McCluster lose control of the ball until he injured his arm and just let go of the ball.
Ah, the old "it makes sense to me, so it must be true regardless of the rules of the game" approach. Good luck with that.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:09 PM   #20
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Ah, the old "it makes sense to me, so it must be true regardless of the rules of the game" approach. Good luck with that.
... The rules of the game say a player can give himself up.

Nice try?
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Ah, the old "it makes sense to me, so it must be true regardless of the rules of the game" approach. Good luck with that.
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... The rules of the game say a player can give himself up.

Nice try?
Are you saying that because you've actually found it in the rule book or because you want it to be true?
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Are you saying that because you've actually found it in the rule book or because you want it to be true?
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So you made it up. Got it.
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... The rules of the game say a player can give himself up.

Nice try?

I don't think it has anything to do with fumbling.

For instance, Sliding to avoid a hit is giving yourself up.
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This used to be a clear cut rule. No subjective bullshit involved. Now it seems like yet another way for the refs to influence the outcome of a game. Discuss.
It's amazing how many people spend so much time watching football yet have no idea what the **** they're watching.
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So you made it up. Got it.
Get back to me when you have a clue about what you are talking about before saying someone else made something up.
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Get back to me when you have a clue about what you are talking about before saying someone else made something up.
Here. I'll even give you a head start.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...ule%20Book.pdf

Let me know when you find the part about a play stopping due to an injured player.
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I don't think it has anything to do with fumbling.

For instance, Sliding to avoid a hit is giving yourself up.
I wish I could remember the Giants player who caught a ball and went to the ground without being touched and left the ball on the ground and walked away like it was college.

That was ruled to not be a fumble because the player gave himself up and made no attempt to advance the ball and was ruled down.
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Here. I'll even give you a head start.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...ule%20Book.pdf

Let me know when you find the part about a play stopping due to an injured player.
No use talking to you anymore because you don't know anything on the subject.
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