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Old 08-17-2013, 08:33 AM  
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The ground can't cause a fumble
This used to be a clear cut rule. No subjective bullshit involved. Now it seems like yet another way for the refs to influence the outcome of a game. Discuss.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:04 PM   #61
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Let me go fall on the ground to say a prayer.
jd1020, you are wrong about this. McCluster didn't fall to the ground to give himself up. He lost his footing while coming down with the catch and in the process of trying to catch his fall hurt himself. The pain of the injury caused him to unintentionally let go off the football. He was never intentionally giving himself up. He stopped trying to advance the ball because he was injured and couldn't give two ****s about anything but his arm. According to the rules, this is a fumble.

On the contrary, if he had been running in the open field, pulled a hammy, fell down intentionally, and then let go of the ball, then you would be correct. He would have "intentionally" given himself up. Does that make sense, or do you want to continue to make yourself look foolish by arguing this point?
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:05 PM   #62
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jd1020, you are wrong about this. McCluster didn't fall to the ground to give himself up. He lost his footing while coming down with the catch and in the process of trying to catch his fall hurt himself. The pain of the injury caused him to unintentionally let go off the football. He was never intentionally giving himself up. He stopped trying to advance the ball because he was injured and couldn't give two ****s about anything but his arm. According to the rules, this is a fumble.

On the contrary, if he had been running in the open field, pulled a hammy, fell down intentionally, and then let go of the ball, then you would be correct. He would have "intentionally" given himself up. Does that make sense, or do you want to continue to make yourself look foolish by arguing this point?
Could you please quote the word "intentionally" in the rule?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:06 PM   #63
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I know exactly what a lateral is.

I'm sure we'd all like to hear about how McCluster lateraled the ball.
No you dipshit the ball was lateraled to him and he didn't maintain control of it through the entire act of catching it.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:06 PM   #64
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Could you please quote the word "intentionally" in the rule?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:08 PM   #65
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Could you please quote the word "intentionally" in the rule?

Thanks in advance.
"Declares himself down" implies that the act is intentional don't you think? Unless you know of any other instance in life you can unintentionally declare something.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:08 PM   #66
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No you dipshit the ball was lateraled to him and he didn't maintain control of it through the entire act of catching it.
It wasn't lateraled.

Doesn't matter because jd is 1000x wrong on this.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:09 PM   #67
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No you dipshit the ball was lateraled to him and he didn't maintain control of it through the entire act of catching it.
You're reeruned.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:11 PM   #68
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"Declares himself down" implies that the act is intentional don't you think? Unless you know of any other instance in life you can unintentionally declare something.
To me declaring himself down is clearly defined by the act of falling and not making an attempt to advance the ball. Maybe I'm just not good at reading the actual words like some people here.

Carry on.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:13 PM   #69
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To me declaring himself down is clearly defined by the act of falling and not making an attempt to progress forward. Maybe I'm just not good at reading the actual words like some people here.

Carry on.
That would present be a HUGE grey area, if that were the case.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:19 PM   #70
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There's a nifty extension for reddit called the Reddit Enhancement Suite that allows you to do a variety of nifty things. One of those things is to "tag" other users with little descriptions to help you remember who they are, what they're like, etc.

I kind of wish we had it here so that in times like this I could remember to just go "aww...look at the little special kid" and move on rather than trying to help him understand the rules.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:25 PM   #71
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There's a nifty extension for reddit called the Reddit Enhancement Suite that allows you to do a variety of nifty things. One of those things is to "tag" other users with little descriptions to help you remember who they are, what they're like, etc.

I kind of wish we had it here so that in times like this I could remember to just go "aww...look at the little special kid" and move on rather than trying to help him understand the rules.
That would be awesome.

Because it's pretty ****ing easy to comprehend that rule.

"Falling to the ground with no effort to advance the ball."

McCluster caught the ball and fell to the ground without making a "football move" to advance the ball.

It's either an incomplete pass or a catch and down by that rule. There's no two ways about it besides a bunch of challenged readers trying to invent their own definition of the rule.

But I'm done talking about a simple definition now. It was a year ago on a 2-14 team.
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It's either an incomplete pass or a catch and down by that rule. There's no two ways about it besides a bunch of challenged readers trying to invent their own definition of the rule.
Obtuse

The ball came out and he was not touched. Fumble.

Keep digging that hole...
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That would be awesome.

Because it's pretty ****ing easy to comprehend that rule.

"Falling to the ground with no effort to advance the ball."

McCluster caught the ball and fell to the ground without making a "football move" to advance the ball.

It's either an incomplete pass or a catch and down by that rule. There's no two ways about it besides a bunch of challenged readers trying to invent their own definition of the rule.

But I'm done talking about a simple definition now. It was a year ago on a 2-14 team.
Poor little guy.
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If you wanna call it incomplete, fine.

But your falling and giving up excuse does not apply here.
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Poor little guy.
I do not understand why some people cannot just admit when they are wrong.
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