Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on.

[Hammock Parties]

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

The Chiefs fans have asked us nicely and not so nicely 1000 times now to quit talking about the 49ers. I was wrong to post up about Kaepernick because that is a 49ers discussion.

As relates to Alex, anything 49ers related pertinent to Alex or the future of the Chiefs is fair game. But our side discussions about past 49ers history, is just pissing the Chiefs fans off more and making us look like bigger and bigger jackasses.

We have to knock it off. We really do.

The main point is this.

Even the great qbs, need weapons that they trust, and that are GOOD players.

That's the bottom line. Especially for someone with a limited skill set as Alex Smith. I made this point a while ago, and people disagreed with me.

If you put Alex Smith with a team on offense with the talent level of Atlanta, packers, saints, broncos, he would be considered a borderline top 10 qb.

if you put aaron Rodgers drew brees, peyton manning or matt ryan with the Chiefs weapons, are they still considered elite?

Or near elite?

[Mav]

And notice. I have never once said that Geno Smith is going to struggle in New York because of his skill level.

he is going to struggle because the offensive talent around him is AWFUL. AWFFFFFFULLLLL.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

The Chiefs fans have asked us nicely and not so nicely 1000 times now to quit talking about the 49ers. I was wrong to post up about Kaepernick because that is a 49ers discussion.

As relates to Alex, anything 49ers related pertinent to Alex or the future of the Chiefs is fair game. But our side discussions about past 49ers history, is just pissing the Chiefs fans off more and making us look like bigger and bigger jackasses.

We have to knock it off. We really do.

you are being such a suck-ass douchenozzle... why? you want to fill your green bar? I'll send you your daily allotted + rep if you will stop being such a pussy and stop trying to accommodate the very assholes that start every ****ing nasty argument on here.

We are mostly talking 49ers because it can relate to Chiefs football... so let's not pretend the discussion is way off in left field. Again, I see tons of threads here that have not a ****ing thing to do with Chiefs topics.

You need to grow a pair and stop trying to mod this board like you are some kind of golden liaison. If the mods want a few of us to stop talking Chiefs/49ers football, I am sure they will let us know.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I already have a bet with Clay.

What was our bet again? I need to bookmark it.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

you are being such a suck-ass douchenozzle... why? you want to fill your green bar? I'll send you your daily allotted + rep if you will stop being such a pussy and stop trying to accommodate the very assholes that start every ****ing nasty argument on here.

We are mostly talking 49ers because it can relate to Chiefs football... so let's not pretend the discussion is way off in left field. Again, I see tons of threads here that have not a ****ing thing to do with Chiefs topics.

You need to grow a pair and stop trying to mod this board like you are some kind of golden liaison. If the mods want a few of us to stop talking Chiefs/49ers football, I am sure they will let us know.

I tried telling them. He is the biggest troll here. I watched it for months. He comes here, sucks dick, jumps in with the in crowd of alex bashers, runs back to the 49ers forum board, laughs at the Chiefs and their fans. I have never seen anything like it. He is 54 years old. Yet, he is still like hes in high school wanting to be the cool kid......

I mean, im a douche, Im a dick, im firm in my beliefs, and convictions.

Him? hes a front runner.

[Kaepernick]

Just so long as you guys know you won't get answers from me anymore about 49ers exclusive things. When you ask me some question about Kaep or Harbaugh or write a PhD thesis on it, and I don't answer you, and you go on to say I am just ignoring you or I have no response -- just know that I'm not going to discuss non-Chiefs related 49ers shit anymore, if I can keep you guys from inadvertently baiting me into it.

If you guys can't see that the Chiefs board here just doesn't want to see this shit, then you are truly hopeless.

When you start attacking me for not responding to 49ers crap, just know I'm doing this because the Chiefs fans DON'T WANT TO SEE IT, not because you made some good point I can't rebut.

I love being called a "troll" for understanding that Chiefs fans don't give a shit about the 49ers. That is rich.

You guys really don't get it.

[Mav]

No, I get it perfectly clear. You want to be one of the Boys. You claimed that Alex Smith was the reason the 49ers failed in 2011, and I brought Kaep into it to say that with that type of logic, even though its completely false, that Kaep was the reason the 49ers last year didn't win. Its a team game.

You were the one who brought in Cohn, the dumbest of dumb shock jocks to pin the blame on Alex Smith.

I called you on it, held your feet to the fire with your own words.

Fine, you don't want to be a troll, and you don't want to talk 49ers stuff, then stop bringing up how Alex performed as a 49er, or how he failed as a 49er as a basis for how he will perform as a Chief.

YOU CANT DO IT. None of us can....Know why? He hasn't played a single meaningful game for the Chiefs, and the only things people can relate with Alex Smith is what he did as a 49er.


Sooooo, good luck with that boss.

This is not personal. But I truthfully take complete umbrage with your attacks on Alex Smith over and over. Especially, when you and other 49ers trolls that came here said you couldn't wait for him to be gone, to take his Alexsexuals with him and you wouldn't have to talk about him anymore.


Yet.........


HERE, YOU, ARE.

Your feet warm yet?

[Hammock Parties]

God damn, shut up and stop ruining our Alex Smith threads.

[chiefzilla1501]

This is a complete joke.

Did you see the abortion of a team the Colts became when they lost Peyton Manning? He played behind a shit offensive line, the worst running game in the NFL, and a rotating carousel of receivers that weren't anything remarkable beyond Reggie Wayne.

New Orleans has an okay line, an average running game, and Brees has won games behind some of the most injury-bit receiving corps out there. He was winning games with Terrence Copper as his #2 receiver at one point.

Green Bay's supporting cast is not good. They have the worst running game in the league and one of the worst offensive lines. They have good receivers when healthy, but most of those guys like Jordy Nelson and Cobb wouldn't be nearly as productive behind the wrong QB.

Tom Brady made an AFC championship game throwing to Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his top 2 guys.

Your point is wrong on so many levels. Elite QBs elevate the play of the team exponentially more than any other position does. That's why the idea that it's okay to settle for a good enough QB is utterly ridiculous. Our supporting cast on offense is a hell of a lot more talented than Rodgers' or Brees'.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

The main point is this.

Even the great qbs, need weapons that they trust, and that are GOOD players.

That's the bottom line. Especially for someone with a limited skill set as Alex Smith. I made this point a while ago, and people disagreed with me.

If you put Alex Smith with a team on offense with the talent level of Atlanta, packers, saints, broncos, he would be considered a borderline top 10 qb.

if you put aaron Rodgers drew brees, peyton manning or matt ryan with the Chiefs weapons, are they still considered elite?

Or near elite?

[Mav]

Chiefzilla.

They added T.Y. Hilton last year, who was very good.

Dwayne Allen, and Coby Fleener, to go with Reggie Wayne.

Yes, Andrew Luck is an absolute stud, and I didn't say that if Alex Smith played for a team like the Saints, Falcons, or Packers that he would be those guys. I specifically said hes not of that caliber, but you mean to honestly tell me that James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jermichael Finley aren't more talented than what the Chiefs have as receiving options?

And about the Saints. They nearly had 3 1000 yard receivers last year.

Colston, Lance Moore, and Jimmy Graham all had 900 plus yards.

I don't even understand your point about bringing up the saints.

and if what you say is true.

Why did tom brady get so pissed when wes welker left, and why did the broncos see it as so important to add a player of Wes Welkers ability if receivers really don't matter. Shouldn't someone as good as Peyton Manning be able to elevate anyone?

[O.city]

He's saying while those wrs are good, they're made better because of the qb, not the other way around.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's saying while those wrs are good, they're made better because of the qb, not the other way around.

And I completely agreed with that. that's why I said that if Alex Smith was the qb on any of those teams, Alex would have better numbers, but they wouldn't be to those standards. Basically what I am saying is for Alex Smith to have ultimate success he needs the weapons like Atlanta.

He needs Jones, White, Harry Douglas, Tony G, a good oline, and Stephen Jackson.

he doesn't have anything near that here.

He has Bowe, and Charles.

[chiefzilla1501]

Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady have won a shitload of games behind terrible supporting casts.

The o-line protecting Peyton in his last season in Indy was criminally bad. The Saints, Green Bay, Indy, and New England have played way too many years with criminally bad running backs. The Saints have good receivers. They are made to look a whole lot better behind Brees. They've won games with David Patten and Terrence Copper as their #2's. Aaron Rodgers won a Super Bowl when he was pretty much missing the entire starting receiving corps.

The idea that QBs are the product of their supporting cast is completely silly.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Chiefzilla.

They added T.Y. Hilton last year, who was very good.

Dwayne Allen, and Coby Fleener, to go with Reggie Wayne.

Yes, Andrew Luck is an absolute stud, and I didn't say that if Alex Smith played for a team like the Saints, Falcons, or Packers that he would be those guys. I specifically said hes not of that caliber, but you mean to honestly tell me that James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jermichael Finley aren't more talented than what the Chiefs have as receiving options?

And about the Saints. They nearly had 3 1000 yard receivers last year.

Colston, Lance Moore, and Jimmy Graham all had 900 plus yards.

I don't even understand your point about bringing up the saints.

and if what you say is true.

Why did tom brady get so pissed when wes welker left, and why did the broncos see it as so important to add a player of Wes Welkers ability if receivers really don't matter. Shouldn't someone as good as Peyton Manning be able to elevate anyone?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

And I completely agreed with that. that's why I said that if Alex Smith was the qb on any of those teams, Alex would have better numbers, but they wouldn't be to those standards. Basically what I am saying is for Alex Smith to have ultimate success he needs the weapons like Atlanta.

He needs Jones, White, Harry Douglas, Tony G, a good oline, and Stephen Jackson.

he doesn't have anything near that here.

He has Bowe, and Charles.

His numbers would be shit on those teams. Those teams have horrible offensive lines and running games. Smith would take 80 sacks and would be asked to throw the ball 40 times a game.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

His numbers would be shit on those teams. Those teams have horrible offensive lines and running games. Smith would take 80 sacks and would be asked to throw the ball 40 times a game.

And in your estimation although the majority of the people on this board are already declaring Eric Fisher a bust, and the display that was shown vs the 49ers leads you to believe that the Chiefs oline is all world?

The Saints oline is very good. VERY GOOD. Especially at tackle and center.

Their Tackles are average, but their offense is miles ahead of the Chiefs.

When I am talking about Play makers, I am talking about receivers and tightends as a group. yes, Green Bays oline is poor. I understand that. And I understand that aaron Rodgers is 10 times the qb as Alex Smith, and I stated that.

Mike McCarthy liked Alex Smith when he was drafted, he would make it work with him. No, Alex Smith would not put up near the numbers that Rodgers does. Hes not that good.

Which brings me back. Alex Smith has to have superior talent around him, which he does not have in Kansas City.

He is going to have to rely on a strong special teams, defense, and Jamaal, and Bowe.

Even if you had an elite qb here, their numbers wouldn't be as great where they are. The talent isn't here.

That's what im trying to say.

just like I said. if Geno Smith struggles this year, it wont be a reflection on his talent, as much as it is on the talent around him.