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ShowtimeSBMVP · 05:22 PM

PLAYERS RELEASED

Player - Position

Steven Baker - T

Josh Bellamy - WR

Jalil Brown

TE Kevin Brock

Malcolm Bronson - S

Greg Castillo - S

Kennard Cox - CB

Marcus Dixon - DL

Tommie Draheim - OL

Darin Drakeford - LB

Shaun Draughn - RB

Frankie Hammond Jr. - WR

Demetrius Harris - TE

Tysyn Hartman - DB

Austin Lane - DE

Orie Lemon - LB

Semaj Moody - CB

Toben Opurum - FB

Matt Reynolds - T

Rico Richardson - WR

Rokevious Watkins - OL

Ridge Wilson - LB/DE

WAIVED INJURED

Player - Position

Ricky Henry - G

ILB Zac Diles

Tony Moeaki - TE

Additionally, the team has waived/released the following six players: TE Kevin Brock, CB Jalil Brown, LB Zac Diles, S Bradley McDougald, DT Jerrell Powe and WR Devon Wylie.

-King- · 09-02-2013, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

In Danta, I see a guy a year past his usefulness that is no better than a 4th corner... or a borderline starting-quality safety.

Tell you what...

I'd be willing to bet that Robinson gives up more catches per snap than either of our starting corners if he plays a minimum or like 100 plays.

Interested?

I don't know how we'd measure that because I'm not interested in using PFF stats at all.

**BossChief** · 09-03-2013, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

No one is expecting Dunta of 3 years ago. He's a nickel corner now. He was a starting corner back then. He's in a role where he'll face the 3rd best WR the offense has 90% of the time instead of the best or 2nd best like he did last year.

Yeah. No problem.

It's not like he will need to be able to cover guys like Victor Cruz, Wes Welker, Jackson, Austin, Bess and others.

He should be just fine.

Amirite?

beach tribe · 09-03-2013, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Actually, Atlanta had 29 sacks.

KC had 27.

Both Paltry #s, and both teams gave the QB WAY too much time.

That will not be the case this season.

**BossChief** · 09-03-2013, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Both Paltry #s, and both teams gave the QB WAY too much time.

That will not be the case this season.

You are putting too much stock into a scheme/coordinator change.

The players have stayed the same and even though I see the potential for an increase in sacks, it's not gonna happen overnight.

-King- · 09-03-2013, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Yeah. No problem.

It's not like he will need to be able to cover guys like Victor Cruz, Wes Welker, Jackson, Austin, Bess and others.

He should be just fine.

Amirite?

And last year as a starting corner, he had to face bigger and better WRs. So this is a downgrade for him.

Once again, you can't find more than 10 nickel backs in the league better than him.

O.city · 09-03-2013, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

The secondary is only as good as it's weakest player.

That guy is Dante Robinson and I GUARANTEE that opposing quarterbacks will know exactly wheee he is when he gets on the field and will be licking their chops.

?

Is the secondary only as good as dunta then?

O.city · 09-03-2013, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Just a head up, it's "defer". Not being a dick, just a heads up.

This is some good discussion after the Dane/SNR whatever the **** that was.

My take, I'm worried as shit about the secondary not named Flowers or Berry and it seems like we've made a lot of moves to not get better.

However I'm choosing to believe that the dumping of seemingly serviceable players is power washing the mentality of the team rather than pure talent evaluation. But that may be a little pie in the sky on my part.

Again, it bears repeating, **** Pioli. Jesus what a franchise destroyer.

I was on my phone, meant to say defer

Sorter · 09-03-2013, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

No one is expecting Dunta of 3 years ago. He's a nickel corner now. He was a starting corner back then. He's in a role where he'll face the 3rd best WR the offense has 90% of the time instead of the best or 2nd best like he did last year.

That simply isn't true. Plenty of teams are moving their marquee receivers into the slot for favorable matchups (Calvin Johnson, Marques Colston, Boldin) for a large quantity of snaps.

These are the receivers that Robinson is going to see quite a bit in the slot this season:

Cecil Shorts, Miles Austin, Desean Jackson/Avant (unsure of how much Jackson will spend time there), Nate Washington, Victor Cruz, Welker, Reggie Wayne.

O.city · 09-03-2013, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

That simply isn't true. Plenty of teams are moving their marquee receivers into the slot for favorable matchups (Calvin Johnson, Marques Colston, Boldin) for a large quantity of snaps.

These are the receivers that Robinson is going to see quite a bit in the slot this season:

Cecil Shorts, Miles Austin, Desean Jackson/Avant (unsure of how much Jackson will spend time there), Nate Washington, Victor Cruz, Welker, Reggie Wayne.

If we have him cover whoever is lined up in the slot, yes problems.

However, iirc they've been moving flowers into the slot

Mother****erJones · 09-03-2013, 07:17 AM

I believe sutton will have him in favorable matchups most of the time or matchup that he can handle

Marcellus · 09-03-2013, 07:30 AM

When teams move bigger WR to slot (Calvin Johnson for example) they can also play match ups on defense and move another CB to cover the slot.

People act like the defense is set in stone and cant move guys around as well.

This isn't an issue unique to KC hell look at the AFCW, how many teams have 3 above average CB's? What about 4 when teams go 4 wide?

Sorter · 09-03-2013, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

And last year as a starting corner, he had to face bigger and better WRs. So this is a downgrade for him.

Once again, you can't find more than 10 nickel backs in the league better than him.

Ladarius Webb
Cortland Finnegan
Kyle Arrington
Tyvon Branch
Leon Hall
Casey Heyward
Antrel Rolle
Buster Skrine
Brice McCain
Brandon Boykin
Greg Toler
Chris Harris

And while these players are unproven in the slot, I'd rather have them as well:
Tim Jennings, Nickell Roby, and Kenny Vaccaro.

Red Gorilla · 09-03-2013, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

In Danta, I see a guy a year past his usefulness that is no better than a 4th corner... or a borderline starting-quality safety.

Tell you what...

I'd be willing to bet that Robinson gives up more catches per snap than either of our starting corners if he plays a minimum or like 100 plays.

Interested?

I disagree and think he was a good signing. I bet he's the fastest CB on our roster. He is still really fast. He is fantastic against the run. He is a bump and run CB and we are clearly moving in that direction. That's why we signed Cooper and let Brown go. Switching to bump and run coverage might end up being the biggest change in our defense.

Dunta was signed to counter Denver signing Welker. When we play Denver, I bet you see Dunta lined up outside and Flowers in the slot over Welker. We then have our best match up with Welker and two big CBs to cover their taller outside guys. Robinson and Smith will make or break us against Denver.

I am not crowning the guy by any means but, he is a very good player and a good signing imo. He's no Stanford Routt.

Sorter · 09-03-2013, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

If we have him cover whoever is lined up in the slot, yes problems.

However, iirc they've been moving flowers into the slot

I believe that was just during OTAs. I haven't read anything about it in TC or seen it during the preseason. It is possible that that's fluid and will change during the regular season.

Mother****erJones · 09-03-2013, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

Ladarius Webb
Cortland Finnegan
Kyle Arrington
Tyvon Branch
Leon Hall
Casey Heyward
Antrel Rolle
Buster Skrine
Brice McCain
Brandon Boykin
Greg Toler
Chris Harris

And while these players are unproven in the slot, I'd rather have them as well:
Tim Jennings, Nickell Roby, and Kenny Vaccaro.

Webb isn't a nickel for the ravens I thought?

08-31-2013, 12:04 PM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1196009	Chiefs start making cuts. PLAYERS RELEASED Player - Position Steven Baker - T Josh Bellamy - WR Jalil Brown TE Kevin Brock Malcolm Bronson - S Greg Castillo - S Kennard Cox - CB Marcus Dixon - DL Tommie Draheim - OL Darin Drakeford - LB Shaun Draughn - RB Frankie Hammond Jr. - WR Demetrius Harris - TE Tysyn Hartman - DB Austin Lane - DE Orie Lemon - LB Semaj Moody - CB Toben Opurum - FB Matt Reynolds - T Rico Richardson - WR Rokevious Watkins - OL Ridge Wilson - LB/DE WAIVED INJURED Player - Position Ricky Henry - G ILB Zac Diles Tony Moeaki - TE Additionally, the team has waived/released the following six players: TE Kevin Brock, CB Jalil Brown, LB Zac Diles, S Bradley McDougald, DT Jerrell Powe and WR Devon Wylie. Last edited by ShowtimeSBMVP; 09-01-2013 at 05:22 PM..
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09-03-2013, 07:30 AM	#956
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-477338	When teams move bigger WR to slot (Calvin Johnson for example) they can also play match ups on defense and move another CB to cover the slot. People act like the defense is set in stone and cant move guys around as well. This isn't an issue unique to KC hell look at the AFCW, how many teams have 3 above average CB's? What about 4 when teams go 4 wide? Last edited by Marcellus; 09-03-2013 at 08:35 AM..
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