The Pope John Paul II

[Jenson71]

Today I listened to a talk about the Catholic religion and part of it dealed with the Pope - John Paul II. Isn't he amazing? The Pope is one of my heroes. He's so unbelievably good. This thread is a tribute thread to the living saint.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

So massive corruption in the society and mass killing is OK as long as it's supported by the religious leaders? That is exactly what happened with Catholisism in the later middle ages.

Only a scant 100 years ago, we were killing blacks, indians, and experimenting with syphillis on our own soldiers. I guess that makes you a killer and a slaver, right?

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

i just want to know what is hidden in the Vaults of the Vatican...

I think that would truly be the most informative and interesting vacation of a lifetime.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Just France. Two days in Paris, then to Versailles, Verdun, other places, up to Normandy. 12 days

We snuck off during our trip for 17 days. Everytime there was a scheduled trip to Notre Dame or The Louvre, we became "ill". I spent a lot of time in Alsasce and Lorraine in the countryside. Very nice people and we had a blast with them.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

The Pope could have forbid it. Spain = the most powerful nation on the Earth. Dumb ass king and qeen + inquisition = Spain never again becomes important.

John Paul II was in power? Or again, are you ascribing past ills to current leaders while turning a blind eye to your own country's faults for the exact same thing?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Only a scant 100 years ago, we were killing blacks, indians, and experimenting with syphillis on our own soldiers. I guess that makes you a killer and a slaver, right?

I never said every catholic is corrupt.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

I never said every catholic is corrupt.

No, you stated Catholicism "is wrong" and stated that the Church is a morale despotic ruin due to issues from centuries ago.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

John Paul II was in power? Or again, are you ascribing past ills to current leaders while turning a blind eye to your own country's faults for the exact same thing?

Did you read my posts? I praised John Paul II. He's trully an incredible individual. I bagged on the organized religion, its hypocracy and corruption.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

No, you stated Catholicism "is wrong" and stated that the Church is a morale despotic ruin due to issues from centuries ago.

Priests raping little boys - centuries ago? People raised as Catholics from childhood, devoted fully to the church and still lying, gossiping, being envious is centuries ago?

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Priests raping little boys - centuries ago? People raised as Catholics from childhood, devoted fully to the church and still lying, gossiping, being envious is centuries ago?

Americans killing women and children in war. People raised as Americans from childhood, devoted to our nation, lying gossiping, bombing federal buildings, our government killing innocent women and children in Camp Koresh in Texas is not centuries ago either.

Do you hold your citizenship to the same standards that you hold others religions?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Americans killing women and children in war. People raised as Americans from childhood, devoted to our nation, lying gossiping, bombing federal buildings, our government killing innocent women and children in Camp Koresh in Texas is not centuries ago either.

Do you hold your citizenship to the same standards that you hold others religions?

Yeah, pretty much. Except religion teaches against the very things its leaders and followers do. While in your example's case, wars are sometimes neccessary for the nation to survive and there's no law in the constitution against them.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Yeah, pretty much.

So you believe your nation to be a filth hole run by murderers on both party aisles and should be ashamed of your heritage?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

So you believe your nation to be a filth hole run by murderers on both party aisles and should be ashamed of your heritage?

Heh, I edited.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Yeah, pretty much. Except religion teaches against the very things its leaders and followers do. While wars are sometimes neccessary for the nation to survive and there's no law in the constitution against wars.

LOL - Ahh, the Religion is supposed to be good and Government isn't.

Qualification is usually done for those who don't want themselves judged as harshly as they judge others.

So what war were we involved in that required we give black men syphillis at Tuskegee?

What war were we reviewing when we killed David Koresh's followers?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

LOL - Ahh, the Religion is supposed to be good and Government isn't.

Yes.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Yes.

It's a cowardly qualification, but I understand why it is done. Many people just don't like to hold themselves to the same standards they hold others.