Why does everyone keep saying we don't need a Tackle at #3?

[jAZ]

We only have 1 sure-fire long-term answer at tackle on our roster. Ultimately we absolutely need 2 of them.

If we don't think that the QB that falls to us at #3 is worth the #3 pick and the tackle is there... why would anyone suggest that we pass him over? If he's also not worth the #3, that's one thing, but I see people saying we should pass on a tackle because we already have one.

Umm... I want to all-world tackles, please.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by H5N1

you serious? do you even remember how much of a destructive force DJ was when he was at texas? he was a one-man wrecking machine. I'm not fully convinced that curry measures up to what DJ was at texas.

and dane, I hope you're wrong, but part of me worries that you're right. so many of our top round guys have gone bust. it can't all be our horrible draft record--the guys HAVE talent. part of me hopes that a new coaching staff can bring out the beast that was DJ at texas. but, he's been such a disappointment that it's anybody's guess.

DJ was on a better team. So you think DJ was a better prospect then Curry?

Yeah all of our Top D picks have not lived up to their pick status. Coaching has to be a big part of that. Hopefully the new regime can change that.


PhilFree

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by philfree

DJ was on a better team. So you think DJ was a better prospect then Curry?

Yeah all of our Top D picks have not lived up to their pick status. Coaching has to be a big part of that. Hopefully the new regime can change that.


PhilFree

I'll put it this way... I'm not convinced that curry is a better prospect than dj was... seriously, go back and read over the pre-draft stuff of dj... he was a freaking monster, man. literally everything I've read about curry brings to mind exact things that were said about dj.

[orange]

Originally Posted by H5N1

derrick johnson was a legitimate top five pick in draft evaluations too. oh wait, then real GMs stepped up and he fell outside of the top ten.

oops.

Originally Posted by H5N1

nice deflection.

nope. he was considered one of the elite prospects of that draft. it's funny, really, that chiefs fans have that bad of a memory. would you pick derrick johnson third overall? because EVERYTHING that has been said about curry was said of johnson before the 2005 draft. as prospects, they're very similar. how has that worked out for us?

Originally Posted by H5N1

and it's funny... who did DJ go after (LB wise)? ware and merriman (both rushbackers) AND thomas davis (meaning dj wasn't even the first cover backer taken).

so yeah--I don't give a shit HOW good a prospect the OLB (cover-backer) is... I'm not taking him top three.

Derrick Johnson obviously fell like a rock due to the evaluations made AFTER college - he fell so far that Thomas Davis A SAFETY was drafted before him as a project. What was funny is how Chiefs fans ignored this obvious fact and drank the koolaid without a second thought.

As for EVERYTHING that was said about Johnson being said about Curry, I don't think that's true. I never once heard DJ described as a smart player.

Besides, projecting DJ onto Curry is every bit as dumb as projecting Blackledge onto the QB of your choice.

[orange]

Originally Posted by orange

... What was funny is how Chiefs fans ignored this obvious fact and drank the koolaid without a second thought.

A very similar thing happened with John Tait, who Chiefs fans thought was the second coming even though no one else nationally had such high regard for him.

Tait is a good cautionary tale. Like DJ, Tait was even considered a successful rookie at LT here - just like Branden Albert now. Why you guys are willing to declare Albert a success eludes me. The fact is it was impossible to grade him correctly for two reasons - the right side of the Chiefs line collapsed so fast you couldn't tell if Albert was holding up long enough; and the team spent most of the year in a gimmick offense that no one believes they're going to run again. I'd say the jury is still out on Albert at LT, and it wouldn't be a nonsensical pick if Pioli took a real LT.

Back to DJ and Tait, some guys just get hyped beyond all proportion on fan boards for some reason. I believe that's the case with Mark Sanchez here this year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by orange

A very similar thing happened with John Tait, who Chiefs fans thought was the second coming even though no one else nationally had such high regard for him.

Tait is a good cautionary tale. Like DJ, Tait was even considered a successful rookie at LT here - just like Branden Albert now. Why you guys are willing to declare Albert a success eludes me. The fact is it was impossible to grade him correctly for two reasons - the right side of the Chiefs line collapsed so fast you couldn't tell if Albert was holding up long enough; and the team spent most of the year in a gimmick offense that no one believes they're going to run again. I'd say the jury is still out on Albert at LT, and it wouldn't be a nonsensical pick if Pioli took a real LT.

Back to DJ and Tait, some guys just get hyped beyond all proportion on fan boards for some reason. I believe that's the case with Mark Sanchez here this year.

Wait...Can you hear that sound?

It's the sound of me not giving a flying **** about what some Donko fan thinks of Chiefs fans.

Orange one who sucks the penis.

[CupidStunt]

Originally Posted by orange

Tait is a good cautionary tale. Like DJ, Tait was even considered a successful rookie at LT here - just like Branden Albert now. Why you guys are willing to declare Albert a success eludes me. The fact is it was impossible to grade him correctly for two reasons - the right side of the Chiefs line collapsed so fast you couldn't tell if Albert was holding up long enough; and the team spent most of the year in a gimmick offense that no one believes they're going to run again. I'd say the jury is still out on Albert at LT, and it wouldn't be a nonsensical pick if Pioli took a real LT.

Nice try, prick. I'm sure you're spewing that garbage about Clady as well, right? The guy who's about as strong as you and only has to pass-block for a half-second so Cutler can look at Marshall on his bubble screen and bullet-pass it straight to him.

[orange]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

Nice try, prick. I'm sure you're spewing that garbage about Clady as well, right? The guy who's about as strong as you and only has to pass-block for a half-second so Cutler can look at Marshall on his bubble screen and bullet-pass it straight to him.

Following Week 12 of the 2008 NFL season, Peter King of Sports Illustrated said Clady was the third-best rookie overall. On December 12, 2008, Clady won the Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week award, after his game against the Kansas City Chiefs. That was the first time all season that a lineman, both offensively and defensively, won the award.

Clady finished third in voting behind Matt Ryan and Chris Johnson for the 2008 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year Award. He was the only offensive lineman to receive any votes. Clady started every game during the 2008 NFL season and gave up just a half of a sack while committing only three penalties. He was the only starting NFL offensive lineman to give up less than one sack for the entire season. He was named to the Associated Press NFL All-Pro Second Team behind Michael Roos and Jordan Gross.

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[B_Ambuehl]

I haven't heard the same things about Curry at this point in the draft process that were being said about DJ. DJ was hyped to the hilt back during the '04 season but it wasn't a week after the season when everybody was getting into film evaluations before every draft guru and there brother were saying UH OH!, he doesn't like to take on blocks. Not that I'd want Curry at #3 anyway, just sayin.

[blaise]

There were negative reports on DJ right before the draft. People started saying that when you watched him tackle he didn't take on the ball carrier head on. They said he had a habit of letting the ball carrier get to his side and then try and tackle him from the side or from behind. That was one of the reasons he caused a lot of fumbles in college, because he came from behind and punched the ball out.
The concern was that he had a lot of skill but he was soft, and that he wasn't going to be blowing guys up at the line of scrimmage. I remember it well, I was living in Houston at the time and you basically get Texas talk on the radio all the time, and every UT grad down there wants the Texans to draft UT players.
But anyway, that was the knock on DJ- he wasn't a physical enough linebacker.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by blaise

There were negative reports on DJ right before the draft. People started saying that when you watched him tackle he didn't take on the ball carrier head on. They said he had a habit of letting the ball carrier get to his side and then try and tackle him from the side or from behind. That was one of the reasons he caused a lot of fumbles in college, because he came from behind and punched the ball out.
The concern was that he had a lot of skill but he was soft, and that he wasn't going to be blowing guys up at the line of scrimmage. I remember it well, I was living in Houston at the time and you basically get Texas talk on the radio all the time, and every UT grad down there wants the Texans to draft UT players.
But anyway, that was the knock on DJ- he wasn't a physical enough linebacker.

I remember hearing all of that and that's why some people wanted Thomas Davis instead of DJ because Davis didn't have any questions about his toughness.

Davis is an ascending player in the NFC South (113 tackles, 95 solo in 2008) whereas Derrick Johnson has remained the same throughout his career (averaging around 85 tackles per season).

[philfree]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

I haven't heard the same things about Curry at this point in the draft process that were being said about DJ. DJ was hyped to the hilt back during the '04 season but it wasn't a week after the season when everybody was getting into film evaluations before every draft guru and there brother were saying UH OH!, he doesn't like to take on blocks. Not that I'd want Curry at #3 anyway, just sayin.

I've read where some people think that Curry will be a better pro then he was a college player. And as far as taking on blocks Curry does and is great at shedding them and making the play. Curry says his biggest fault is that he;s to agressive sometimes. LOL a LB to agressive? Our D needs some agression.


PhilFree

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by philfree

I've read where some people think that Curry will be a better pro then he was a college player. And as far as taking on blocks Curry does and is great at shedding them and making the play. Curry says his biggest fault is that he;s to agressive sometimes. LOL a LB to agressive? Our D needs some agression.


PhilFree

We don't need our linebackers to over-pursue. THAT's what they're referring to, not "aggression".

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

We don't need our linebackers to over-pursue. THAT's what they're referring to, not "aggression".

It's not "they're" referring to anything that's what Curry said about himself when asked what the weakness of his game was. Curry will end up being a pro bowl LB for some team in the NFL. He'll make plays that change games. IMO he's that kind of a LB.

PhilFree

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by philfree

It's not "they're" referring to anything that's what Curry said about himself when asked what the weakness of his game was. Curry will end up being a pro bowl LB for some team in the NFL. He'll make plays that change games. IMO he's that kind of a LB.

PhilFree

Well, I disagree. He played in the ACC. If he goes to a team with an already strong defense, he might make some plays.

Otherwise, he's just another solid NFL player at best.

And he's certainly not worth the #3 overall draft spot.

[NickAthanFan]

It amazes me that the one known as Assclown (me) can see how dumb one must be to think you take a cover LB in the top 3.

Curry will not be our pick at 3, periot.