Chiefs O-Line analysis - Page 10

milkman · 03-20-2010, 08:34 AM

Saw this posted eleswhere.
Took a quick look around and didn't see it here.
If it's repost, then that's just too damn bad.

Frankie gets to give me shit, though, if it is.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-line-analysis

With the addition of what should be two new starters, I thought I would give you a few facts that the public is not aware of, along with some personal reflection on my part.

The Chiefs have made some positive moves this past week, but the team knows a lot more has to be done. They need a right tackle and depth.

I thought I would expand a bit and give some statistics you will rarely see anywhere.

First of all, this OL was bad last year, but that's in the past.

Lets look at the starters at this point.

BRANDEN ALBERT

Albert did not have the greatest of seasons in this year's rankings. His overall ranking was in the bottom 20 percent among offensive tackles in the league. He gave up seven sacks and 18 QB pressures playing left tackle. He was also guilty of being called for 13 penalties—that was more than any tackle in football.

I think a lot of the problem with Albert was that he played hurt. He started the year injured but was still willing to play. One would have to wonder if that in any way hindered his performance. I believe it did.

Albert is too gifted to not succeed at that position. We have not seen Albert at his best.

As a straight-ahead run blocker, at the line, he has average strength. It's when he's on the move that he is most dangerous.

At Virginia, Albert pulled frequently from his left guard position. The longer he ran, the bigger the impact. He was a BEAST when it came to blocking on the move—I mean he exploded into guys on the second level and drove them into the ground. That was the big reason for his success—his explosion on the move.

I would think that with Charles and Jones, who are better in space, Albert should find more confidence that will help him from being measured only by his ability to pass block. If healthy, he'll get a lot better. He has the feet to protect the quarterback.

One more note about Albert: Many have said that he was a natural guard in college and that he didn't play tackle because Eugene Monroe was better. That is totally untrue. The reason he played guard is because Monroe refused to. Albert made that move inside because he was an unselfish player. So before people jump to conclusions, they shouldn't speak at all unless they know the whole story.

The people involved in this falsehood were fellow divisional "bashers" not Chief bloggers

BRIAN WATERS

Waters had a very poor season as well, mostly because of aging. He ranked 20th amongst players at his position, and most of the reason he was that high was because of his excellent pass protection. For the season, he was charged with only giving up one sack. In addition, when blocking straight ahead, he opened a few holes. But his mobility is the problem at this point in his career.

His other problems? Penalties.

Like Albert, he was the most penalized player at his position in the game.

Despite those figures he's still a very good player—just not one of the best anymore.

CASEY WEIGMANN

Weigmann ranked 23rd out of the 32 starting offensive centers last year. At his age, his better years are behind him, but that doesn't mean he can't play. He was only slightly better at pass blocking than Niswanger, but he graded out much better as a run blocker.

Weigman, of course, played in a zone-blocking scheme in Denver and played extremely well these past few years, proving that he was not as washed up as the Chiefs thought. He still excels in making line calls and adjustments, and he can still pull.

Remember those classic sweeps that Priest Holmes ran under Vermeil? It was Weigmann that was the first guy down the field, not Roaf or Shields. The problem now, however, is how much does he have left?

RYAN LILJA

Well, we all know his story, so I won't repeat it. Lilja graded out at 14th at offensive guard—which is very good. It is by far the best grade of any Chief lineman last year.

Despite being 290 pounds, it is his run blocking that stood out more than his pass protection. He was in the top five out of 64 guards when it came to screen blocking—great news for the Chiefs with both Albert and Weigmann excelling in that area.

He did not give up many sacks, but you have to take into account the quarterback that was behind him all these years.

Indianapolis usually leads the NFL in pass protection, but its not because the line is that talented. It's because they have Peyton Manning. It is Manning's intelligence, ability to get rid of the ball quickly, short drops, making quick reads, and throwing the ball away that skewed their stats favorably.

Without a doubt though, Lilja will play as well as Cassel plays, which means that Cassel needs to play well.

RYAN O'CALLIGHAN

Do you really want to know? I didn't think so.

Actually I thought he did OK, but looks are deceiving. He finished 57th. He played less than 850 snaps and still gave up nine sacks and was responsible for 24 QB pressures. His run blocking was just as bad, and he got flagged a lot to boot. Its very clear with this guy—bad starter, but decent, experienced backup.

As for the backups, well, if everything was great in Kansas City most of the guys mentioned would be the backups. Niswanger provides depth at center. Ndukwe played out of position at tackle, but is really their depth at guard. After that, all bets are off.

So where does that leave the Chiefs?

They need to get a stud right tackle for sure and a few guys they can groom for the immediate future.

Many people now feel that Bulaga and Okung don't seem to fit at this point.

But they're wrong.

Both of those guys are outstanding run blockers and would be great right tackles. In addition, that player would provide depth at left tackle, should Albert get hurt. Last year, they played the season without one.

No matter how you slice it, the Chiefs now have a better line, and that's good news.

But it's not rebuilt yet. We'll see where they are after draft days.

(Props to HG at HoTC)

Titty Meat · 03-21-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

wow ok, says a lot about you that you are continually pimping a guy who ****ed his sister, and iirc got her pregnant. par for the course with you billy
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Whats that have to do with his ability to play tackle in the NFL?

**SAUTO** · 03-21-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Whats that have to do with his ability to play tackle in the NFL?

well bill what do you actually know about his ability to play tackle in the nfl? his name wasnt brought up much before the sister ****ing revelation? which, oddly enough, started you on this obsession with him. coincidence???
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Bill Lundberg · 03-21-2010, 06:49 PM

For what it is worth Wade Smith was interviewed on Sirius today. Balzer asked him to comment on the state of the KC Chiefs. He said we are definitely headed in the right direction and it was tough for him to chose Texans over the Chiefs (they did try to keep him).

They followed it up with asking if he thought we would take a LT at #5 and move Albert to RT. He answered with conviction and without hesitation that Branden Albert will be the LT of the franchise for the next 8-10 years. Said his talent and his work ethic will make him "the man" for the O-line. He said there were some things that happened last season that were out of Branden's control....

Just paraphrasing, but I thought it was a very encouraging interview.

Mecca · 03-21-2010, 06:49 PM

No one brings up hardly anyone around here unless you're in draft planet because frankly most people don't even know who half the players on LSU are let alone Abilene Christian.

Titty Meat · 03-21-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

well bill what do you actually know about his ability to play tackle in the nfl? his name wasnt brought up much before the sister ****ing revelation? which, oddly enough, started you on this obsession with him. coincidence???
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How stupid are you?

**SAUTO** · 03-21-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

How stupid are you?

ok were you pimping him before the article? not nearly as much as now if at all,

and mecca i read draft planet some too
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Titty Meat · 03-21-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

ok were you pimping him before the article? not nearly as much as now if at all,

and mecca i read draft planet some too
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What the **** does it matter if I were pimping him before or after the article? I was reluctant to draft him after reading the story then I watched some tape. The guy is a beast.

milkman · 03-21-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg

For what it is worth Wade Smith was interviewed on Sirius today. Balzer asked him to comment on the state of the KC Chiefs. He said we are definitely headed in the right direction and it was tough for him to chose Texans over the Chiefs (they did try to keep him).

They followed it up with asking if he thought we would take a LT at #5 and move Albert to RT. He answered with conviction and without hesitation that Branden Albert will be the LT of the franchise for the next 8-10 years. Said his talent and his work ethic will make him "the man" for the O-line. He said there were some things that happened last season that were out of Branden's control....

Just paraphrasing, but I thought it was a very encouraging interview.

Just another thing that will be dismissed by the true fan we must draft LT crowd.

**SAUTO** · 03-21-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

What the **** does it matter if I were pimping him before or after the article? I was reluctant to draft him after reading the story then I watched some tape. The guy is a beast.

lol ok man.
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Titty Meat · 03-21-2010, 06:56 PM

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lol ok man. rausch called you on point
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What?

Titty Meat · 03-21-2010, 06:57 PM

Sauto you are such a dumbass you cheered for LJ you must like beating up women. Your argument makes no sense because you don't know what the **** you are talking about you have to grasp for straws trying to say I like incest.

**SAUTO** · 03-21-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

What?

ok man...
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Marcellus · 03-21-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Just another thing that will be dismissed by the true fan we must draft LT crowd.

I find it more likely to be dimissed by the Pioli/ Haley hate club. Too much optimism as well as the fact KC tried to keep him which has never been mentioned. He got overpaid by the Texans IMO.

milkman · 03-21-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I find it more likely to be dimissed by the Pioli/ Haley hate club. Too much optimism as well as the fact KC tried to keep him which has never been mentioned. He got overpaid by the Texans IMO.

I'm on the Pioli/Haley hate club.

I'm not dismissing any of it.

It's good to know those useless bastards did actually try to keep him.

But I guarentee you the true fan that thinks we need to move Albert and draft a LT will dismiss Smith's comments on Albert summarily.

aturnis · 03-21-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And you're just plain dense.

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Lilja failed a physical.

Says who? Adam Caplan? Who told the Indianapolis press it was a out of need for size to bolster their run game?

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Lilja's been a left guard his entire career.

Who says he can't play right? YOU? I didn't say he could, but if he is going to be expected to, yes, I would hope he could ****tard.

It's also funny how me saying I hope he could make the switch is HOPE as a bad thing, yet when you say it about the worst lineman on the team...

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

From my POV, Richardson has looked "smoother" at left tackle than right. If he can translate that to the right side, he'll be a 10 year starter.

It's legit.

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The only team that wanted to sign Lilja was 4-12 last season.

He had other visits set up, you know this dumbass.

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Lilja was released AFTER given a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus

Who knows why really, you don't.

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Your entire stance is based off of HOPE, not fact. You couldn't dispute even ONE point that laid out for you.

But please, continue to embarrass yourself.

Your entire stance is based off of negative dumbassery. The Chiefs must have hurt you bad man, so so bad. You couldn't dispute one point laid out for you. You have no facts, neither do any of the other people outside of the NFL. Yippee dumbass.

03-20-2010, 08:34 AM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	O-Line analysis Saw this posted eleswhere. Took a quick look around and didn't see it here. If it's repost, then that's just too damn bad. Frankie gets to give me shit, though, if it is. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-line-analysis With the addition of what should be two new starters, I thought I would give you a few facts that the public is not aware of, along with some personal reflection on my part. The Chiefs have made some positive moves this past week, but the team knows a lot more has to be done. They need a right tackle and depth. I thought I would expand a bit and give some statistics you will rarely see anywhere. First of all, this OL was bad last year, but that's in the past. Lets look at the starters at this point. BRANDEN ALBERT Albert did not have the greatest of seasons in this year's rankings. His overall ranking was in the bottom 20 percent among offensive tackles in the league. He gave up seven sacks and 18 QB pressures playing left tackle. He was also guilty of being called for 13 penalties—that was more than any tackle in football. I think a lot of the problem with Albert was that he played hurt. He started the year injured but was still willing to play. One would have to wonder if that in any way hindered his performance. I believe it did. Albert is too gifted to not succeed at that position. We have not seen Albert at his best. As a straight-ahead run blocker, at the line, he has average strength. It's when he's on the move that he is most dangerous. At Virginia, Albert pulled frequently from his left guard position. The longer he ran, the bigger the impact. He was a BEAST when it came to blocking on the move—I mean he exploded into guys on the second level and drove them into the ground. That was the big reason for his success—his explosion on the move. I would think that with Charles and Jones, who are better in space, Albert should find more confidence that will help him from being measured only by his ability to pass block. If healthy, he'll get a lot better. He has the feet to protect the quarterback. One more note about Albert: Many have said that he was a natural guard in college and that he didn't play tackle because Eugene Monroe was better. That is totally untrue. The reason he played guard is because Monroe refused to. Albert made that move inside because he was an unselfish player. So before people jump to conclusions, they shouldn't speak at all unless they know the whole story. The people involved in this falsehood were fellow divisional "bashers" not Chief bloggers BRIAN WATERS Waters had a very poor season as well, mostly because of aging. He ranked 20th amongst players at his position, and most of the reason he was that high was because of his excellent pass protection. For the season, he was charged with only giving up one sack. In addition, when blocking straight ahead, he opened a few holes. But his mobility is the problem at this point in his career. His other problems? Penalties. Like Albert, he was the most penalized player at his position in the game. Despite those figures he's still a very good player—just not one of the best anymore. CASEY WEIGMANN Weigmann ranked 23rd out of the 32 starting offensive centers last year. At his age, his better years are behind him, but that doesn't mean he can't play. He was only slightly better at pass blocking than Niswanger, but he graded out much better as a run blocker. Weigman, of course, played in a zone-blocking scheme in Denver and played extremely well these past few years, proving that he was not as washed up as the Chiefs thought. He still excels in making line calls and adjustments, and he can still pull. Remember those classic sweeps that Priest Holmes ran under Vermeil? It was Weigmann that was the first guy down the field, not Roaf or Shields. The problem now, however, is how much does he have left? RYAN LILJA Well, we all know his story, so I won't repeat it. Lilja graded out at 14th at offensive guard—which is very good. It is by far the best grade of any Chief lineman last year. Despite being 290 pounds, it is his run blocking that stood out more than his pass protection. He was in the top five out of 64 guards when it came to screen blocking—great news for the Chiefs with both Albert and Weigmann excelling in that area. He did not give up many sacks, but you have to take into account the quarterback that was behind him all these years. Indianapolis usually leads the NFL in pass protection, but its not because the line is that talented. It's because they have Peyton Manning. It is Manning's intelligence, ability to get rid of the ball quickly, short drops, making quick reads, and throwing the ball away that skewed their stats favorably. Without a doubt though, Lilja will play as well as Cassel plays, which means that Cassel needs to play well. RYAN O'CALLIGHAN Do you really want to know? I didn't think so. Actually I thought he did OK, but looks are deceiving. He finished 57th. He played less than 850 snaps and still gave up nine sacks and was responsible for 24 QB pressures. His run blocking was just as bad, and he got flagged a lot to boot. Its very clear with this guy—bad starter, but decent, experienced backup. As for the backups, well, if everything was great in Kansas City most of the guys mentioned would be the backups. Niswanger provides depth at center. Ndukwe played out of position at tackle, but is really their depth at guard. After that, all bets are off. So where does that leave the Chiefs? They need to get a stud right tackle for sure and a few guys they can groom for the immediate future. Many people now feel that Bulaga and Okung don't seem to fit at this point. But they're wrong. Both of those guys are outstanding run blockers and would be great right tackles. In addition, that player would provide depth at left tackle, should Albert get hurt. Last year, they played the season without one. No matter how you slice it, the Chiefs now have a better line, and that's good news. But it's not rebuilt yet. We'll see where they are after draft days. (Props to HG at HoTC)
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Bill Lundberg American Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10004925	For what it is worth Wade Smith was interviewed on Sirius today. Balzer asked him to comment on the state of the KC Chiefs. He said we are definitely headed in the right direction and it was tough for him to chose Texans over the Chiefs (they did try to keep him). They followed it up with asking if he thought we would take a LT at #5 and move Albert to RT. He answered with conviction and without hesitation that Branden Albert will be the LT of the franchise for the next 8-10 years. Said his talent and his work ethic will make him "the man" for the O-line. He said there were some things that happened last season that were out of Branden's control.... Just paraphrasing, but I thought it was a very encouraging interview.
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