College athletes on their way to a union.

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

They get free medical care while on scholarship. What about when it is taken away because of the injury?

Oh, crap...Now they should get lifetime free medical care?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by mikey23545

Oh, crap...Now they should get lifetime free medical care?

So let me get this straight. If a football player gets injured at the end of the season with a torn acl, which requires 18 months of recovery, you are okay with that player being saddled with the medical bills after his athletic scholarship is taken away/not renewed?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

"You get a free, full ride, four year scholarship. But it is only for a year at a time. Oh, and make sure you don't get injured either!"

Meh. Im all for paying the players, but injured players still get the free ride. They just get a waiver and don't count towards the 85 scholarship limit.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Meh. Im all for paying the players, but injured players still get the free ride. They just get a waiver and don't count towards the 85 scholarship limit.

No they don't by anything that I am seeing. I already provided one link that seems to dispel this notion. Is there is some type of off the book waiver that can be utilized if the school wants? In this case below, it looks like if their scholarship isn't renewed, no more free ride. If they did get the tuition, these guys wouldn't have had to sue, and have their case dismissed.

"The athletic scholarships held by plaintiffs at the time of their injuries were good for one year only, and needed to be renewed to be valid for any subsequent seasons. When plaintiffs’ injuries prevented them from playing football, their scholarships were not renewed."

http://www.morelaw.com/verdicts/case.asp?s=&d=55940

Their tuition for that academic year is covered, but not beyond that. This is one reason the Northwestern guys are asking for four year scholarships.

[13and3]

Ok, for all you haters out there, I am a hater too and that is how I know what you are truly feeling inside. Here is a little insight on why I am for these players getting coin. It is a purely egotistical and selfish reason, not unlike a lot of you who want the opposite.

Some years ago I while I was attending UMKC school of engineering, a pretty hot girl would sit beside me in English class and we would chat. I would attend school all day 8am to 9pm Tues and Thurs and then have to go to work Mon, Wed, Sat, and Sun, to support myself. Just so happened we got paired up on some lame as research paper. The only day I had free was Friday so I told her we need to get together that day to make this thing happen. She told me it was no way for her to make it to the library because she just had to attend Mike Washington's party. Who in the **** is Mike Washington, I asked her. " You don't know who Mike Washington is? She replied." come to find out and for those who don't remember he was the star basketball player for the Roos. Needless to say I did the paper myself and she got the credit.

I had to work to support myself through school, Mike Washington had a scholarship, and all the girls because he could dribble a damn basketball. Now a days I have a degree in engineering, have my own company, married and make more than a 100 grand a year.

I look back and realize now, growing up in the hood I was around lots of Mike Washingtons in my childhood. From my perspective They hung out way to much on the basketball court. They lost lots of valuable time studying, doing chores, or cutting grass and finding some way of earning some money. Most have ended up in either in jail, dead or still on those street corners and playgrounds. What I have now is better than what he had then, and I can live with that. So while they get all the attention, free school, and girls. Most aren't smart enough to make it count later in life. I am going to do my own thing and let them do theirs. Im not going to hate on some dumb college athlete because he can get paid now, that's way to petty for me. In the end I am living the good life, a job that offers the satisfaction of actually producing something the world needs, a family I love, a nice house in a good neighborhood, and a decent ride. In the end I could care less if the student athlete got paid or not, It just bothers me that people hold the basketball player rapper types in such high regard that them having a little money in their pocket makes them feel less secure, so they come up with lots of lame paper thin reasons why they should be happy with what the school gives them. What they are really saying he has more than what I had in school and I cant stand the idea of him having more. If that is the case you are still in competition with the Mike Washingtons of the world. Im my opinion **** him, **** Wiggins, **** Beasly, **** Embiid, and who ever the next major recruit is. It makes no difference, I still have to get up and go to work in the morning, and cut the grass on Sundays before the Chiefs Game. Why do we even care what some 18 year old kid does with a Basketball, he doesn't even know you exist, just as I am sure Mike Washington didn't miss me at his party. All I am asking is quit spouting out all this bullshit and own your own truth, and to all you English majors out there who are going to piss on my grammatical skills with regard to this post **** you too.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by 13and3

Ok, for all you haters out there, I am a hater too and that is how I know what you are truly feeling inside..

I am pretty sure you lost many when you lead off with this...

[mr. tegu]

If receiving the free education is completely dependent upon the athletics, the ability to stay healthy, follow every rule, and maintain good productivity in competition, which of athletics and academics is truly the more important focus? (Hint: there is only one correct answer)

[mikey23545]

Oh, and at my job I never got free lodging, all meals and medical care...I would hate to think of what all that totals up to for those poor, poor "slaves" toiling away at the game of football...

[mikey23545]

You imply they do not receive fair compensation for their efforts.

Free tuition, free meals, free lodging in dorms, or a stipend allowing them to live off campus, free medical care...Benefits that must total far in excess of what many, many people earn.

You sir, are a liberal idiot.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by mikey23545

You imply they do not receive fair compensation for their efforts.

Free tuition, free meals, free lodging in dorms, or a stipend allowing them to live off campus, free medical care...Benefits that must total far in excess of what many, many people earn.

You sir, are a liberal idiot.

Nice tap out.

None of those things you said are guaranteed beyond each year. And earning those benefits is entirely dependent on athletics. Ergo, "student" is clearly not more important than "athlete."

[Jimmya]

Pandoras box is an accurate assessment.

[BlackHelicopters]

[Bweb]

Something to think about that I heard on Mike and Mike this morning.....

Currently, athletic scholarships are considered grants in aid, which are not taxable.

If student/athletes are to be considered employees of the schools (with the main reason to be considered employees is that their scholarships are considered compensation)...would their scholarships then be considered taxable income?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Bweb

Something to think about that I heard on Mike and Mike this morning.....

Currently, athletic scholarships are considered grants in aid, which are not taxable.

If student/athletes are to be considered employees of the schools (with the main reason to be considered employees is that their scholarships are considered compensation)...would their scholarships then be considered taxable income?

And here's another wrinkle...

Most (if not all) grants are done directly to the institution. The student never gets a "check", and in the case of institutional scholarships, money never actually changes hands at all.

If they become employees and get a paycheck, not only will that be taxable, but that income will be issued TO THE STUDENT. At that point, like any work-study job, it becomes the student's money to do with as the please.

What happens when 30+ athletes at a school suddenly default on their tuition payments because they decided to spend that money on something else?

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Bweb

Something to think about that I heard on Mike and Mike this morning.....

Currently, athletic scholarships are considered grants in aid, which are not taxable.

If student/athletes are to be considered employees of the schools (with the main reason to be considered employees is that their scholarships are considered compensation)...would their scholarships then be considered taxable income?

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And here's another wrinkle...

Most (if not all) grants are done directly to the institution. The student never gets a "check", and in the case of institutional scholarships, money never actually changes hands at all.

If they become employees and get a paycheck, not only will that be taxable, but that income will be issued TO THE STUDENT. At that point, like any work-study job, it becomes the student's money to do with as the please.

What happens when 30+ athletes at a school suddenly default on their tuition payments because they decided to spend that money on something else?

This is all theoretical at this point, but the ultimate outcome might be the existing scholarship plus a potentially taxable stipend.