Mahomes wants 20-0

[RaidersOftheCellar]

http://https://www.google.com/amp/s/...fect-20-0/amp/

"The only record I have my eyes set on breaking, which would be new this year, would be going 20-0," Mahomes said. "It's not really a record to be broken I guess you would say—19-0 is the record right now—so being able to go 20-0 and being the first one to do that, that would be awesome."

[ChiefsCountry]

Mahomes is all in on winning. I really don't know why there is so much bitching going on in this thread.

[el borracho]

Great! Every player should have this goal and this attitude!

Of course, Andy has to temper this enthusiasm with decisions that are best for the team overall, which means resting starters if/when the postseason schedule is decided in order to win championships.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, try selling that to non-kansas fans and see how it goes. Oh, sure, we only won one title during this stretch, but we won our division all these years in a row. Do baseball fans care that the Atlanta Braves won the AL East 11 straight times? Do NFL fans care that the Patriots won the AFC East 11 straight times?

14 division/conference titles in a row is impressive, sure. But it's a "trivia" level accomplishment that is less important/memorable than winning the whole thing.

How many more championships would you expect from Kansas in the past few decades (just using "in my lifetime" as the metric, since I personally don't care about things that happened in the 50s)?

To be on UK's level, they need one more title in the past 40 years... UNC, +2... Duke, +3.

Sure, one or two more titles in my lifetime would have been great, but they also don't have seasons that end in the NIT or worse like the other 3 teams mentioned (and sure, their fans don't care because they have the extra titles).

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

One could say exactly the same about college basketball. That the regular season is meaningless, that the team that is going to win in all likelihood is going to be a blue blood university with an elite all time coach. You'll have quirky outliers, but the sport is dominated by special "haves" classes who define the quality of their season on how they do once the Sweet 16 round kicks in.

I'm not a Super Bowl or bust guy or anything. But they Detoxing any sort of regular season accomplishment for an NFL team and especially the Chiefs.

The only way the Chiefs going undefeated is significant is IF they complete the perfect season in the playoffs. THEN it becomes a monumental achievement.

IMO, the difference is the level of parity... CBB's regular season is more interesting to me because teams can't just sleepwalk through a conference schedule and get a 1 seed. But, you could say the regular season is largely pointless due to that parity, even though you see far more ranked vs. ranked matchups than marquee NFL matchups.

OTOH, the Chiefs were literally talking about how they just wanted to fast forward to the postseason all of last year, how they were opening the playbook in January, etc.

In the past couple of seasons, if you said "take the Chiefs or the field", most people would probably take the Chiefs... just like for most of 20 seasons, you would take the Patriots over the field.

I don't think that's really true for CBB, outside of say Kentucky's 2012 pre-NBA team.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

Bottom line is that Patrick Mahomes doesn't like to lose! What else would you expect out of him after that horrible loss to the Buccaneers in the Superbowl? He has to have a sour taste in his mouth and the only cure for that is to go out and destroy every opponent in his way to another Superbowl victory! I wouldn't expect any other response from him, let's sit back and enjoy the ride!

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, try selling that to non-kansas fans and see how it goes. Oh, sure, we only won one title during this stretch, but we won our division all these years in a row. Do baseball fans care that the Atlanta Braves won the AL East 11 straight times? Do NFL fans care that the Patriots won the AFC East 11 straight times?

Or do they talk about the Braves choking and only winning one title in all those years, and talk about how awesome the Patriots are for winning 3 SB in that timeframe? (And also point out things like the extreme homefield advantage Patriots/Brady received, or the expanded strike zone Braves starters got... similar to the extreme home court whistle at Allen Fieldhouse).

Which baseball team is perceived as having more success in the first 20 years of the 21st century - the Braves or the Giants? The Giants had a 5-year run where they won 3x. Meanwhile, the Braves won their division 10 times in that span and have zero World Series wins.

And then there's the "Shared title" component of the achievement...

What are those four asterisks?

Oh, well, four of the titles are shared.

But you were the 1 seed in the conference tournament those years, right (Indicating if there was a tie breaker, you would have won the league regular season title)?

Actually, we were the 2 seed 3 of those 4 times.
... ... Okay... Cool story, bro.

14 division/conference titles in a row is impressive, sure. But it's a "trivia" level accomplishment that is less important/memorable than winning the whole thing.



One could say exactly the same about college basketball. That the regular season is meaningless, that the team that is going to win in all likelihood is going to be a blue blood university with an elite all time coach. You'll have quirky outliers, but the sport is dominated by special "haves" classes who define the quality of their season on how they do once the Sweet 16 round kicks in.

I'm not a Super Bowl or bust guy or anything.

I get that you're a Missouri fan and probably refuse to credit KU for any achievements....but what exactly are you arguing? You don't think that 14 straight Big 12 titles is more impressive than one nat'l title? It's immaterial anyway since they did win one in that stretch. But there's no way you can argue that it's more impressive to get hot for 6 games than to dominate one of the top leagues for 14 years.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Only in the minds of ku fans and maybe Atlanta Braves fans.

I'm not comparing a national dynasty to a conference streak. I'm comparing one national title to 14 straight conference titles in one of the top leagues.

To act like only KU fans appreciate the achievement is ridiculous. In fact, I probably appreciate it less than a lot of national analysts because it got boring and expected about halfway through. Bilas and others have called it one of the great achievements in sports history. When Virginia beat Texas Tech, did you hear anyone call it one of the great achievements in sports history?

[htismaqe]

This thread should be in hall of craptastics. Awful.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I get that you're a Missouri fan and probably refuse to credit KU for any achievements....but what exactly are you arguing? You don't think that 14 straight Big 12 titles is more impressive than one nat'l title? It's immaterial anyway since they did win one in that stretch. But there's no way you can argue that it's more impressive to get hot for 6 games than to dominate one of the top leagues for 14 years.

My argument?

That winning titles in sports is more memorable and important than even rare and cool and notable regular season accomplishments.

The conversation WAS about weighing which was more memorable/important - an undefeated regular season that doesn't end with a Super Bowl win, or a 5-loss regular season that does end with a Super Bowl win. That's the context my original comment dropped into.

Unless you're a ku fan. As several of them (you?) have shown in this thread. What's more impressive on the national landscape: North Carolina winning 3 national titles (and 9 conference titles, with a long "streak" of 3 years) since Williams and Self got there? Or kansas winning 1 but pulling off the 14* year title streak?

Which baseball team is considered to have been better this century - the Braves with all their division titles and long division title streak, or the Giants with their World Series wins?

End point: Focus on the winning the Super Bowl. If they can add some cool trivia items along the way, awesome. But regular season accomplishments are distantly secondary to postseason ones.

[Kiimo]

What's more impressive, KU winning 14 conference championships and one title

Or Mizzou fans winning absolutely nothing but commenting on KU the entire time desperately trying to undersell their success meanwhile trying to convince us that wrestling is important

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

My argument?

That winning titles in sports is more memorable and important than even rare and cool and notable regular season accomplishments.

The conversation WAS about weighing which was more memorable/important - an undefeated regular season that doesn't end with a Super Bowl win, or a 5-loss regular season that does end with a Super Bowl win. That's the context my original comment dropped into.

Unless you're a ku fan. As several of them (you?) have shown in this thread. What's more impressive on the national landscape: North Carolina winning 3 national titles (and 9 conference titles, with a long "streak" of 3 years) since Williams and Self got there? Or kansas winning 1 but pulling off the 14* year title streak?

Which baseball team is considered to have been better this century - the Braves with all their division titles and long division title streak, or the Giants with their World Series wins?

End point: Focus on the winning the Super Bowl. If they can add some cool trivia items along the way, awesome. But regular season accomplishments are distantly secondary to postseason ones.

I'd say that Roy's 3 titles are more impressive, but I don't consider a lone title to be a bigger achievement.

This seems to keep morphing into different arguments. If you want to say it's more memorable to win one natty vs 14 straight Big 12 titles, that's a matter of personal opinion. But I'm not sure how you can say it's a more impressive feat to win six games in one postseason than to dominate one of the top leagues for 14 years straight. Come on.

Again...national analysts have called that streak one of the greatest achievements in sports history. No one has said that winning one single title is one of the greatest achievements in sports history.

There wasn't another team in the country who was consistently good enough during those years to have matched what they did. Even Duke had a few down years during that run. It's just silly to me to downplay something that no other program could have achieved.

But enough on that.

And yeah, it's lunacy to argue that any season that ends in a loss is better than one that ends with a SB victory.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

My argument?

That winning titles in sports is more memorable and important than even rare and cool and notable regular season accomplishments.

The conversation WAS about weighing which was more memorable/important - an undefeated regular season that doesn't end with a Super Bowl win, or a 5-loss regular season that does end with a Super Bowl win. That's the context my original comment dropped into.

Unless you're a ku fan. As several of them (you?) have shown in this thread. What's more impressive on the national landscape: North Carolina winning 3 national titles (and 9 conference titles, with a long "streak" of 3 years) since Williams and Self got there? Or kansas winning 1 but pulling off the 14* year title streak?

Which baseball team is considered to have been better this century - the Braves with all their division titles and long division title streak, or the Giants with their World Series wins?

End point: Focus on the winning the Super Bowl. If they can add some cool trivia items along the way, awesome. But regular season accomplishments are distantly secondary to postseason ones.

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

This seems to keep morphing into different arguments.

Exactly.

"More memorable" can easily be championship or not and it's highly subjective. I watched "40-16" KU/UNC in the Final Four with my dad in KC, which was more memorable than DVR'ing the NC game against Memphis due to work and then watching it alone in my apartment in Omaha.

One of my absolute favorites was beating Duke and that douchebag Grayson Allen in the Final Four.... or there's the relatively unexpected run of 2012... or way back to the vastly underrated KU/Texas rivalry.

And for the Chiefs, the 2018 AFCCG ranks right up there with the past two in terms of being memorable, even though of course neither compare to the SB comeback.


But then the argument changes to importance/impressive on the national landscape..... yeah, don't care at all what ESPN thinks. They once ranked a horse as one of the top athletes of all time.

And then 'better this century'... of course, most people will look at titles first.


And that conversation isn't black and white, IMO... the Chiefs could go undefeated in the regular season (meh), then beat the Raiders and then a 52 year old Tom Brady playing for the Broncos in the playoffs, then lose in overtime in a 45-44 on a last second field goal.
....or they could go 12-5 and beat a couple of shit teams in the playoffs, then some unmemorable AFCCG, and some Patriots/Rams type of boring ass SB that would only have any entertainment value at all because the Chiefs were playing in it.

But yeah, most people would still look back on one with negativity for not closing the deal in the much more memorable season, and positively that at least they won a SB in a year where they might not have deserved one... guess I'd go back to saying enjoy the ride.

[FloridaMan88]

Adam Teicher...

Link: https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-cit...ot-come-easily

Patrick Mahomes' 20-0 aspirations for Chiefs would not come easily

[Halfcan]

They talked about this on 810 today. Evidently, Mahomes was specifically asked about going undefeated- and now the hacks in the media are trying to make it like he is arrogant.

How many times will they keep repeating that the Chiefs lost the SB?

[Rainbarrel]

You only build 'em up to tear 'em down. Sweat sucks

[jdubya]

Not sure of the odds but I am guessing there are a few teams with equal odds as the chiefs in going 20-0. I am getting a bit nervous about the Dolts right now. On paper they are getting lethal....if their coaching is decent, they are contenders for this division right now. Yes I know there are idiotic fans that say they are going to be good every year but this year feels a bit different to me. Hope I am wrong.