We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants...

[petegz28]

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

We didn't replenish a brokedick Sammy Watkins? What?

Shut up dipshit. You get to pipe your long haired dumbass down for six more days. We won.

We won because Pat threw it to his backs and Andy ate some celery and cucumber tonight and had a couple drives where he ran the ball.

If we keep running a ton of long developing pass plays with these OTs, Pat is going to keep taking hits snd losing confidence.

FFS don’t you see the looks he has during games?

Nobody is saying we can’t run the blitzkrieg offense. We just need to change it up to where it’s not the base offense. Teams have adjusted to that snd Brown/Niang compound the problem.

If we come out and run the ball fir 2 straight drives, it would be like David Carr in that game he went crazy throwing deep on us and we didn’t expect it.

This OL would get some swagger going.

They would be wearing down defenses every week.

No team has the DEs that can battle all day in a phone booth with these monsters and still blast upfield late in games.

That’s the counter punch.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea if you haven't noticed no one we plays cares about anyone not named Hill or Kelce..

Refusing to move on from the Robinsons and Kemp's is a real issue.

Absolutely. I've been saying this shit for years.

All these scrubs that Andy keeps around are taking up the rosters spots that should be used to develop players. Andy has 7-10 jags on every roster that are a waste of space. That costs us salary cap, draft picks etc. We almost never get the surprise Diamond in the Rough because Andy never commits to developing players.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Absolutely. I've been saying this shit for years.

All these scrubs that Andy keeps around are taking up the rosters spots that should be used to develop players. Andy has 7-10 jags on every roster that are a waste of space. That costs us salary cap, draft picks etc. We almost never get the surprise Diamond in the Rough because Andy never commits to developing players.

They're literally risk adverse to playing young guys until they have no choice.

They seem way to caught up in the "this guy made plays to help us with a SB so he can do it again" when in reality a lot of those players have declined.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Short passes.

We are full up on butt runs. More than 20 a game and Creed's ass starts to chafe.

Yes, extensions of the run game, the kind of slick screen games Andy made his name on

If your receivers suck, get sneaky with your backs... give me some quick hitters where Mahomes isn't risking life and limb every other play

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's 2 months, maybe it's who they are now?

I am still holding out hope.

If for no other reason the turnovers still seem to be bad luck/bad bounces.

Daniel Jones threw multiple tipped balls tonight that harmlessly fell to the ground and then had a likely pick 6 when Sneed fell down.

The Chiefs are getting the opposite end of those turnover breaks.

But law of averages hopefully comes into play.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we come out and run the ball for 2 straight drives, it would be like David Carr in that game he went crazy throwing deep on us and we didn’t expect it.

We'd get 3 points, maybe.

The Chiefs "running game" is based almost purely on the fact that defenses don't respect it. This is not the 2003 Chiefs OL and RB. T-Rich would look like a factor back compared to these guys.

When you run it more, you make our sub 4 YPC RBs even less effective. Guaranteed. These guys can't break a 20-yard run to save Gracie's life.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Yes, extensions of the run game, the kind of slick screen games Andy made his name on

If your receivers suck, get sneaky with your backs... give me some quick hitters where Mahomes isn't risking life and limb every other play

That shit was good when it was Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, Jamaal Charles, Kareem Hunt...but when it's Helaire or Darrell William defenses gonna let you have your 5 yards.

[Simply Red]

Pete what are some of your more common porn searches like? Give us an idea...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

We'd get 3 points, maybe.

The Chiefs "running game" is based almost purely on the fact that defenses don't respect it. This is not the 2003 Chiefs OL and RB. T-Rich would look like a factor back compared to these guys.

When you run it more, you make our sub 4 YPC RBs even less effective. Guaranteed. These guys can't break a 20-yard run to save Gracie's life.

One of those guys is a 1st round pick...sad shit.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We won because Pat threw it to his backs and Andy ate some celery and cucumber tonight and had a couple drives where he ran the ball.

Patrick executed better this week and the Chiefs didn't fall behind 17-0.

The Chiefs running game was no different tonight than it was against WFT, except the Giants are a little worse at defending the run, and Gore brought a little extra.

Andy has the right mix. What is required is better execution. Patrick and Kelce left 10-14 points on the field.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The Chiefs are fine.

They just need to stop turning it over.

If they don't turn it over twice tonight they have 30 points, maybe 34.

Same story every week.

The truth is buried by the excuses being made for Mahomes' play. I pounded the table for the kid prior to getting drafted and have been one of his biggest fans since college, so I'm fairly immune to the rah rah bullshit being spewed in every thread that calls him out. He's staring at the rush instead of down the field and he's late with throws or missing open targets because of it. Patrick is putting the team in bad situations as much as the next guy right now.

I'm not sure if he'll fix it or not, which worries me. We've seen good QBs go down this path before and not come out of it. None, of course, as good as Patrick has been nor with the confidence I've seen him exude to date, but the point remains. I'm hoping it's just a trust issue he can overcome as he learns to get better at playing within and up in the pocket. It very well might not go away this season and could take a change at LT to clean it up. We'll have to see and, hopefully, sooner than later.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by Mecca

They're literally risk adverse to playing young guys until they have no choice.

They seem way to caught up in the "this guy made plays to help us with a SB so he can do it again" when in reality a lot of those players have declined.

Sorenson and Niemann are the exception, not the rule when it comes to success. The chances that they ever play that well again is miniscule.

The way that Andy/Spags kept Niemann out there to coach Bolton/Gay was sickening. It meant that Spags hadn't coached the young linebackers well enough so they knew what to do. They needed Niemann out there to call the plays for them.

I'm not sure what the obsession is with Sorenson. He is a liability everyone on the field except in the box. Even then he isn't particularly good. /

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Patrick executed better this week and the Chiefs didn't fall behind 17-0.

The Chiefs running game was no different tonight than it was against WFT, except the Giants are a little worse at defending the run, and Gore brought a little extra.

Andy has the right mix. What is required is better execution. Patrick and Kelce left 10-14 points on the field.

If you can’t see that Pat doesn’t trust these WRs or OTs, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s clear to see.

All defenses have to do is bracket Hill and Kelce and the passing game is limited to a trash player beating a zone coverage that knows they are limited. These OTs cant hold these 4-5 second blocks and these WRs cant get open against NFL talent. They aren’t physically capable of doing it. Asking them to do it every game is creating the problems we’re having.

Even Dick Vermiel that wanted a high flying offense figured out his offense was best when he ran a balanced attack.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

We don't have the defense to play martyball offense.

Chiefs also dont have the defense when Mahomes throws 2 INTS a game...It looks like he's always looking for the big play...and when its not there like it used to be...he's forcing it.

Not every play has to be a 20 yard completion...they need to sucker those two deep safeties up.

What they are currently doing isn't working...they scored 14 points until the final minute....and 3 points last week.

The first drive drive looked great...using the short passing game then it disappeared....then they had Gore humming...then it disappeared.

Every check down to the RB went for 8 yards....

It's almost to the point that it seems deliberate...keep the point spread intact? Something is off...they never stay with what is working.

[Sannyasi]

Mahomes has looked off but the coaches have also not put Mahomes in a position to succeed.

It's time to lean on the new strengths of this team and lean into the running game. This team should look like a Kyle Shanahan offense. Run the ball to set up the play action. That should be our bread and butter.