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Old 11-09-2022, 10:49 AM   Topic Starter
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Is CEH on his way out of KC?
I was watching the All 22 and it suddenly dawned on me - CEH barely saw the field.

So I started digging through his snap counts and discovered that his snaps dropped by almost THIRTY since Tampa.

In the last two games he's only had 17 snaps in each game. In fact, when you factor in the total number of plays on offense, his numbers have dropped from an average of about 43% of total snaps to 27% against San Fran and 17% against the Titans.

They weren't kidding when they said they were going to make Pacheco the starter but from what I can see, CEH is now the THIRD RB.

Are the Chiefs signaling something here?
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Old 11-09-2022, 10:51 AM   #2
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On his way out as in....no 5th year option? Absolutely.

But cut or traded? Seriously doubt that.

Will he ever see starting duties again? He might. Pacheco has to show something or they'll move on from his ass too. Might even turn back to CEH.
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Old 11-09-2022, 10:53 AM   #3
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Has the run game improved since his time has been cut? If it has, great. It hasn't looked it though. Maybe the problem isn't solely with CEH then.
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Old 11-09-2022, 10:54 AM   #4
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Has the run game improved since his time has been cut? If it has, great. I it hasn't looked it, maybe the problem isn't solely with CEH then.
I think the biggest problem, by far, with the offense is the offensive line.

I'm more talking specifically about how the backs are being used, regardless of their effectiveness.

CEH's usage has fallen off a cliff.
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Old 11-09-2022, 11:07 AM   #5
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I think the biggest problem, by far, with the offense is the offensive line.

I'm more talking specifically about how the backs are being used, regardless of their effectiveness.

CEH's usage has fallen off a cliff.
Maybe they are searching for something that works. I'm not going to look at it from a snap count perspective. I am going to look at it at a usage perspective. And looking at the numbers lately it looks like to me they are being for the most part splitting the play calls that go to each one. For instance last game Pacheco with 5 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 9 touches. Game before that where Pacheco had his 1st start. Pacheco 8 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 4 touches.

This is essentially RBBC without calling it that. My personal opinion is that Andy doesn't look at or uses RB's in the same traditional manner that every one thinks. It is all about the touch count. Not YPC or snap count. Personnel groupings and play calling have a lot to do with as well.

I agree with you the problem is due in part to the OL though. OBJ made the wrong bet.
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Old 11-09-2022, 03:07 PM   #6
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Maybe they are searching for something that works. I'm not going to look at it from a snap count perspective. I am going to look at it at a usage perspective. And looking at the numbers lately it looks like to me they are being for the most part splitting the play calls that go to each one. For instance last game Pacheco with 5 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 9 touches. Game before that where Pacheco had his 1st start. Pacheco 8 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 4 touches.

This is essentially RBBC without calling it that. My personal opinion is that Andy doesn't look at or uses RB's in the same traditional manner that every one thinks. It is all about the touch count. Not YPC or snap count. Personnel groupings and play calling have a lot to do with as well.

I agree with you the problem is due in part to the OL though. OBJ made the wrong bet.
OBJ's run blocking has looked pretty good. The issue, lately, has been interior OL.

Then again, the Titans were deploying a 5-man line with a 6th run blitzing on many downs. That hurt the ability to run for sure.

I don't have any data on the plays we ran, but the RPO has resulted in few good runs and so penalties when we pass. I wonder if that needs to be limited.
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Has the run game improved since his time has been cut? If it has, great. It hasn't looked it though. Maybe the problem isn't solely with CEH then.
Yup.
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Has the run game improved since his time has been cut? If it has, great. It hasn't looked it though. Maybe the problem isn't solely with CEH then.
It isn't.

CEH absolutely isn't a great fit for the zone blocking schemes Andy Heck has the line blocking out, but for real CEH doesn't have great vision, isn't particularly quick, doesn't cutback when the expected hole doesn't appear, doesn't set his blockers up well when they DO carry out their assignments, lacks ball awareness, doesn't catch well, and totally fumbled away the football with the game on the line against the Ravens last year.

**** him.
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On his way out as in....no 5th year option? Absolutely.

But cut or traded? Seriously doubt that.

Will he ever see starting duties again? He might. Pacheco has to show something or they'll move on from his ass too. Might even turn back to CEH.
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On his way out as in....no 5th year option? Absolutely.

But cut or traded? Seriously doubt that.

Will he ever see starting duties again? He might. Pacheco has to show something or they'll move on from his ass too. Might even turn back to CEH.
Sorry, I meant after the season. As in no 5th-year option, just let him walk.
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Sorry, I meant after the season. As in no 5th-year option, just let him walk.
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Possibly. I'd like to see CEH inactive, taking Rojo's spot for a game to see if there is any improvement.
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Signaling they see the same as we fans do on the tape: he is the third best option at RB. McKinnon is #1, as his pass protection and receiving skills are top notch (relatively speaking); Pacheco is #2 for his explosiveness; CEH #3 as he is meh in comparison for aforementioned attributes.
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