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Old 07-31-2024, 04:23 AM  
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7/31/24 Daily Training Camp Thread.
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Old 08-01-2024, 06:08 AM   #136
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I’m not worried about it, but it seems Reid likes to bring Kelce in motion at the snap and you can’t have both him and Worthy moving at the same time. At some point, Worthy will need to work on not getting manhandled at the LoS on his own.

Also, for the record, Tyreek was like 5’8” 185 to Worthy's 5’11” 165. There is a massive difference in weight/build and presumably strength between the two.
The same was said about Smith in Philly. They're similar types of WR's who are the exception to the rule...
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Old 08-01-2024, 06:10 AM   #137
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As long as you don't have a one read QB like Miami, press isn't that big of a deal.
That sort of jam is a huge issue for an offense
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The same was said about Smith in Philly. They're similar types of WR's who are the exception to the rule...
Same was said because it is a valid concern. That’s the reason you don’t see many 170-pound NFL WRs.

We don’t yet know if Worthy is an exception.
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Old 08-01-2024, 08:45 AM   #139
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Here's Tank Dell who's just 5'8" 165 lbs lighting the NFL up last year as a rookie:

https://youtu.be/IQ12zEqSCPo?si=lVzOzeWduDSRPKpY

He's smaller and his game is objectively less physical than Worthy's. How much press coverage do you see in those highlights? If it were that easy to just beat up on the little guys, dudes like Dell wouldn't be coming into the league doing this as rookies.
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Old 08-01-2024, 08:49 AM   #140
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Here's Tank Dell who's just 5'8" 165 lbs lighting the NFL up last year as a rookie:

https://youtu.be/IQ12zEqSCPo?si=lVzOzeWduDSRPKpY

He's smaller and his game is objectively less physical than Worthy's. How much press coverage do you see in those highlights? If it were that easy to just beat up on the little guys, dudes like Dell wouldn't be coming into the league doing this as rookies.
You just cant afford to press guys this fast on every rep if any kind of capable QB is throwing the ball. It worked against Miami for a few reasons. And they didn't hit Tyreek every single play, but it sure was more than most. I really think they knew the keys when it was supposed to be a Hill play. I was watching live and that makes it harder to keep track of it all. But I cant really remember any play where hill was jammed and Tua made any kind of decent play to someone else off of it.
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That highlight vid sucks for this conversation. I’m halfway through it and the only play I’ve seen the release was at :55 and he was off-the-ball and in motion.
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Old 08-01-2024, 08:56 AM   #142
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You just cant afford to press guys this fast on every rep if any kind of capable QB is throwing the ball.
This is true, which is why I’m more concerned with this issue inside the red zone. Once the field gets compressed, defenses have a lot more leeway to run press coverages.
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That highlight vid sucks for this conversation. I’m halfway through it and the only play I’ve seen the release was at :55 and he was off-the-ball and in motion.
That's because I posted the wrong video:

https://youtu.be/F9reV0lDNJs?si=5PBDnZRbL5ihrf30

We had this discussion in the draft forum before the draft about Worthy specrically. It's a silly thing to be overly concerned about in today's NFL.
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Old 08-01-2024, 09:01 AM   #144
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Same was said because it is a valid concern. That’s the reason you don’t see many 170-pound NFL WRs.

We don’t yet know if Worthy is an exception.
You must be blind…

Tank Dell
Devonta Smith
Jordan Addison
Josh Downs
Zay Flowers

All but one of those guys was a rookie last year. All of those WR’s had 700+ receiving yards last season.
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Old 08-01-2024, 09:02 AM   #145
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That’ll make him finding work in the red zone more difficult if we don’t put him in motion
Why WOULDN'T you put him in motion in the red zone?

I mean, the Chiefs aren't a team that is going to go into the red zone and line up in an 11 set and just run slants out of it.

If they have 3 wideouts out there, they're going to be doing the motion with one of the outside receivers. That can be Worthy.

And honestly, with Kelce and Rice and Wiley on this team, I can't see them running a red zone set that has Worthy on the field where he ISN'T doing something to force the defense to react horizontally.
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Not good.. This is a concern. Andy will get him in motion and hopefully avoid these situations.
Yeah, Andy is not going to allow then to do that. He's not an idiot.
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Devonta Smith
Jordan Addison
Josh Downs
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All but one of those guys was a rookie last year. All of those WR’s had 700+ receiving yards last season.
Yeah, all but one was a rookie. Exactly.

It’s been rare up until recently. These offensive gurus sending guys in motion and strict rule enforcement on defensive toughness/roughness, etc. is the reason we’re seeing these smaller guys popping up more frequently.. because, historically, small receivers in that weight range couldn’t function well in the league.

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Why WOULDN'T you put him in motion in the red zone?

I mean, the Chiefs aren't a team that is going to go into the red zone and line up in an 11 set and just run slants out of it.

If they have 3 wideouts out there, they're going to be doing the motion with one of the outside receivers. That can be Worthy.

And honestly, with Kelce and Rice and Wiley on this team, I can't see them running a red zone set that has Worthy on the field where he ISN'T doing something to force the defense to react horizontally.
I’m sure we will, but like I said, at some point he’s going to have to man up and beat the jam on his own.

Also, I don’t have the numbers but we seem to favor sending Kelce in motion.
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We had this discussion in the draft forum before the draft about Worthy specrically. It's a silly thing to be overly concerned about in today's NFL.
I’m not overly concerned about it.

I did say this after all:

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I’m not overly concerned about it.

I did say this after all:
I wasn't necessarily talking about you, because this video had caused a lot of discussion on Twitter.
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