To the Herm haters.

[kcbubb]

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K


And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.


Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Last 4 seasons as head coach: 19-45

Flustrating.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Title of this thread should be "To Chiefsplanet:"

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K


And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.


Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

I think Herm gets a bit of a raw deal as well. I am happy that he is gone, but I do think he could have succeeded given different circumstances.

With that said, peoples minds are made up about Herm. And, given that he is no longer coaching in the NFL.... and the fact that he isn't pursuing a job, and that no team will be bending over backwards to get him..... his legacy is set.

The best thing that can happen for Herm is that fans forget him. Even if he was right on all the draft picks, the haters will give the new coaches more credit. Even if he was wrong on all the draft picks, the Herm supporters will blame the new coaches and new schemes.

It is very hard to be unbiased with anything to do with sports, especially if it is your favorite team.

Starting threads like this will just continue to perpetuate the hate. The best thing that can happen is for the Chiefs to have a good year, and put the optimism in the future and Herm in the past.

Again, not saying you don't have any meritt with the post, just pointing out that some battles are pointless.

[2112]

I think Lia and Herm Edwards are ChiefsPlanet posters. really, I do. she had an account on a Jet board from what I heard.

[Skip Towne]

To keep a HC job in the NFL you must win or at least show progress toward winning. Herm did neither at the Jets or us. Only a fool would hire him as a HC.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Wrong again. Herm said he would have taken Curry on ESPN.

And he would have taken Joe Montana in the first round of the draft, then picked up Marino in the second.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I think Herm gets a bit of a raw deal as well. I am happy that he is gone, but I do think he could have succeeded given different circumstances.

With that said, peoples minds are made up about Herm. And, given that he is no longer coaching in the NFL.... and the fact that he isn't pursuing a job, and that no team will be bending over backwards to get him..... his legacy is set.

The best thing that can happen for Herm is that fans forget him. Even if he was right on all the draft picks, the haters will give the new coaches more credit. Even if he was wrong on all the draft picks, the Herm supporters will blame the new coaches and new schemes.

It is very hard to be unbiased with anything to do with sports, especially if it is your favorite team.

Starting threads like this will just continue to perpetuate the hate. The best thing that can happen is for the Chiefs to have a good year, and put the optimism in the future and Herm in the past.

Again, not saying you don't have any meritt with the post, just pointing out that some battles are pointless.

So, are you and the OP'r siamese twins? Joined the same month and year and agree about Herman f*****g Edwards? Virtually nobody in KC has warm fuzzy feelings about that zero talent HC.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Clock management is one of the worst handled things in the NFL. You'd almost think these guys should play Madden for a couple hours and they might figure it out. When a Madden player can manage the clock better than an NFL coach, that's a problem.

Yes, because playing a ****ing video game is just like being on the sideline during an NFL game.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Yes, because playing a ****ing video game is just like being on the sideline during an NFL game.

So Profound that statement is n00b

[MahiMike]

Hold on here just a gol dang minute! Are you trying to say someone out there DOESN'T hate Herm?

I'm confused.

[2112]

I'll leave it at this. watching a Herm coached team made you feel hopeless. and it was also like being water boarded or tortured. even if he had the greatest talent in the world he wouldn't change his stubborn idiotic way of coaching.

Put Joe Montana at qb....the hogs for an o line and Jerry Rice and Paul Warfield at wr and he would still coach the same exact way hes been coaching.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by D2112

I'll leave it at this. watching a Herm coached team made you feel hopeless. and it was also like being water boarded or tortured. even if he had the greatest talent in the world he wouldn't change his stubborn idiotic way of coaching.

Put Joe Montana at qb....the hogs for an o line and Jerry Rice and Paul Warfield at wr and he would still coach the same exact way hes been coaching.

Agreed. Case in point was the Colts playoff game. He kept jamming LJ into the line gaining nothing. But he kept doing it even into 9 in the box. Herm doesn't understand adjustments to what the other team is doing. Herm just doesn't get it.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

"As much"?

Carl Peterson ****ed this team up well before Herm ever came into town. Herm didn't do a great job of coaching, but Carl Peterson did a horrendous job in general management. Peterson deserves the majority of the blame. It amazes me that people actually struggle to see how bad of shape Peterson left this team after Vermeil left. No coach could have turned this team into a winner in those three years.

Bullshit! Herm was a complete **** up, with a lot of lip service and zero action.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Agreed. Case in point was the Colts playoff game. He kept jamming LJ into the line gaining nothing. But he kept doing it even into 9 in the box. Herm doesn't understand adjustments to what the other team is doing. Herm just doesn't get it.

And yet the week prior in a must win game he pulled out all the tricks for a very entertaining win and then said on sportscenter in must win games you do whatever you have to.

So my question in regards to the Indy play-off game,"Uh Herm,WTF was that if not a must win game?"

Herm=Dipshit

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Bullshit! Herm was a complete **** up, with a lot of lip service and not action.

That's right. Why wasn't Peterson able to keep Marty down? Marty won as many games as Stram.