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Chris Jones 94 54.34%
1st round draft pick + $20m of other players 74 42.77%
Some other option I will describe in the thread 3 1.73%
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:08 AM  
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Jones vs. 1st Rounder + $20m
Obviously this is going to be a key discussion this offseason. On The Athletic's podcast (Time's Ours), Nate Taylor said that he's heard that there are multiple teams out there who would give us a 1st round pick for Jones (assuming we tag and trade him), and possibly more than that.

So just to lay out a simplified version of the options:

Option 1:
Chris Jones (probably around $20m per year)

Option 2:
1st round draft pick (cheap for 4-5 years)
$20m worth of other players

For context on how much other players might cost based on recent free agents we've signed:
Clark - $21m
Mathieu - $14m
Hitchens - $9m
Schwartz - $8m
Okafor - $6m

So...which way do we go?
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:06 AM   #151
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So the salary cap is a myth, right? This is the worst argument.
How so? My point was most teams don't have 5 players worth these contracts. Is that not true?
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:16 AM   #152
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The 49'ers did it...
They have 5 dudes with 10M against their cap. We have 8.

And there is a substantial difference between the 14 and 15 that Ford and Buckner will put on there and the 20+ that Jones will have, coupled with Clarks 22.7M.

Note: those are 2020 numbers from overthecap.com
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:21 AM   #153
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I think a lot the groundwork was laid when Clark was signed. I just don't know how you can pay 2 dudes on a 4 dude DL at the top of the market.



Part of it is there remains a lot of apprehension (myself included) due to the whole Houston/Berry ****fests. My god those were bad contracts. The results of which we're still feeling.
Exactly. It's crazy that Berry is still costing us $8m next year.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:22 AM   #154
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When five players account for 58 percent of the team's salary cap, there is virtually no room to account for injuries or under performance within that group. On top of that, the players you're able to put around that group of superstars are less coveted.

Injuries and player performance drop-offs are just too common in the NFL for me to want to create a top-heavy roster in which you're basically all-in on five players.
I think it will be a year-by-year deal to not let that happen, assuming we sign Chris Jones.

2020-Chris Jones and Pat Mahomes low cap hit
2021-Extend Kelce and Matheiu. Structure gauranteed money and have their cap hits low for this season.
2022-Schwartz and Fisher are FA’s. Hitchens can be cut

We got $10 million this year from Fisher and Hitchens restructuring salary to signing bonuses. They could do that with Frank Clark one year to free up space too.

Starting to believe we can keep Chris.
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I think it will be a year-by-year deal to not let that happen, assuming we sign Chris Jones.

2020-Chris Jones and Pat Mahomes low cap hit
2021-Extend Kelce and Matheiu. Structure gauranteed money and have their cap hits low for this season.
2022-Schwartz and Fisher are FA’s. Hitchens can be cut

We got $10 million this year from Fisher and Hitchens restructuring salary to signing bonuses. They could do that with Frank Clark one year to free up space too.

Starting to believe we can keep Chris.
We got $10 million in cap relief in the short term, but still have to pay that money in future years. Restructuring just kicks the can down the road to provide immediate relief. It's a band-aid. It does not wipe away the risks an extremely top-heavy roster carries with it.
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They have 5 dudes with 10M against their cap. We have 8.

And there is a substantial difference between the 14 and 15 that Ford and Buckner will put on there and the 20+ that Jones will have, coupled with Clarks 22.7M.

Note: those are 2020 numbers from overthecap.com
Yeah but they also have Arik Armstead as a FA this year and Solomon Thomas as a FA next year. They’re going to have to make decisions just like us.
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Exactly. It's crazy that Berry is still costing us $8m next year.

And we’re fourth in the league in dead cap amounts. Fourth because of one ****ing player.
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Yeah but they also have Arik Armstead as a FA this year and Solomon Thomas as a FA next year. They’re going to have to make decisions just like us.
I'm aware of that. I was just responding to Rausch who used them as an example.

Bottom line is math doesn't lie.
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I think it will be a year-by-year deal to not let that happen, assuming we sign Chris Jones.

2020-Chris Jones and Pat Mahomes low cap hit
2021-Extend Kelce and Matheiu. Structure gauranteed money and have their cap hits low for this season.
2022-Schwartz and Fisher are FA’s. Hitchens can be cut

We got $10 million this year from Fisher and Hitchens restructuring salary to signing bonuses. They could do that with Frank Clark one year to free up space too.

Starting to believe we can keep Chris.
If they can make that kind of calculus work, I'd be OK with it.
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I'm aware of that. I was just responding to Rausch who used them as an example.

Bottom line is math doesn't lie.
I was just adding to yours.

And the 49ers are going to have fun when Bosa wants a new deal.
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We got $10 million in cap relief in the short term, but still have to pay that money in future years. Restructuring just kicks the can down the road to provide immediate relief. It's a band-aid. It does not wipe away the risks an extremely top-heavy roster carries with it.
No matter what your cap looks like, it will be imperative to draft well and find value in trades/FA.

Veach has done a nice job doing that in 2 years. If he keeps doing that at a functional level, we’ll be fine.

Think of the Steelers over the years. Not much going on from them in FA aside from smaller moves. Heavy emphasis on the draft.

I think that’s a model for us to use.
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I was just adding to yours.

And the 49ers are going to have fun when Bosa wants a new deal.
Ah. I'm too dumb to read.

It will be cheap to cut Garoppolo at that point, which is what they might want to do.

That will make the math easier.
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I'd love to keep Jones but i think its realistic to think he gets traded for a first and a third. I also think Spags will generate interior pressure the same way he always did prior to jones, roll a DE over to DT and send him.
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After reading all the back and forth on Jones, it seems everyone wants him to play with the Chiefs but don't want to be in Cap Hell over it.
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