Nate Taylor with a lot of middle-to-big-sized news yesterday.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Watson had about 500 snaps this year. Hardman had 303. Skyy had 313 this year.

That’s 800 snaps between Hardman and Watson open with Juju here.

This isn’t hard..

Makes you wonder what that snap count would look like if Hardman didn't miss half the season.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Watson had about 500 snaps this year. Hardman had 303. Skyy had 313 this year.

That’s 800 snaps between Hardman and Watson open with Juju here.

This isn’t hard..

From two guys who have completely different skill sets than Moore.

Meanwhile I can think of a way to open up about 800 snaps in a role that perfectly matches the skills that Moore has demonstrated in college and the pros....

[DJ's left nut]

The answer is staring you dead in the face IF you believe in Skyy Moore to the extent so many people claim to believe in Skyy Moore.

But I've kinda come to the conclusion that most of the people that are just absolutely dead certain that he'll prove the haters wrong and are AGHAST at drawing any conclusions on the pick based on his rookie year....don't actually trust the kid to contribute next season anymore than his most virulent detractors do.

And in many cases, they trust him less.

[DJ's left nut]

I think JJSS is so scheme dependent that I think if the Skyy hype is even 80% legit he'd be capable of 1,000 yards here.

It makes all the damn sense in the world IF he's the physical technician with elite hands he's being sold as.

I'm willing to gamble because I just don't think the bar is that high.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think JJSS is so scheme dependent that I think if the Skyy hype is even 80% legit he'd be capable of 1,000 yards here.

It makes all the damn sense in the world IF he's the physical technician with elite hands he's being sold as.

Agreed. If he's really the guy he was sold as, no reason to think he wouldn't excel in JuJu's role. And with fresher legs and more explosion, should be able to create more YAC than JuJu does.

[Megatron96]

The obvious weakness/short-coming to Skyy's skills is the inability to decipher zone. JJSS is a vet WR and understands how to sit down or otherwise beat zone concepts. Skyy just hasn't shown a real understanding of where the soft spots are, yet. I still think he will, it's just taking longer than I anticipated. That, and he's apparently coming from a lower experience level in that regard than I thought.

I don't know if he has 'elite' hands, but he's a pretty good catcher of the football, and he snatches the ball out of the air. As for his athleticism, well, just look at those clips above; at least half or more of his yards are coming in the form of YAC; he can make people miss, break tackles and move the chains.

Does any of that equate to elite? mmmm, probably not. is he probably a better athlete than Edelman was? in some respects probably. And Edelman carved out a near HOF career for himself without a lot of elite skills. A great football IQ and good hands was really the extent of it.

[big nasty kcnut]

So any news about naing?

[BossChief]

So now the Skyy haters are trying to make the narrative that if JuJu is re-signed it’s a knock on Skyy? Jesus. Their vendetta against him is impressive.

Juju was in the slot for 315 snaps as opposed to 451 out wide.
Mecole lined up in the slot 149 times and 146 out wide.
Skyy lined up in the slot 152 snaps and 155 out wide.

I think Skyy takes the majority of those slot snaps from JuJu as well as the majority of Hardmans snaps as well as maintaining his snaps he had last year.

In total, I see Skyy playing roughly 700-800 snaps next year (assuming he stays healthy all year) with 500+ snaps coming from the slot. I expect him to gain 7-800 total yards and 4-6tds.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So now the Skyy haters are trying to make the narrative that if JuJu is re-signed it’s a knock on Skyy? Jesus. Their vendetta against him is impressive.

What? Literally no one said that.

Originally Posted by BossChief

I think Skyy takes the majority of those slot snaps from JuJu as well as the majority of Hardmans snaps as well as maintaining his snaps he had last year.

In total, I see Skyy playing roughly 700-800 snaps next year (assuming he stays healthy all year) with 500+ snaps coming from the slot. I expect him to gain 7-800 total yards and 4-6tds.

Didn't you have him pegged as taking that many snaps THIS year? I remember you being pretty high on him and all of your predictions falling flat.

Now you wanna argue that the Chiefs are going to resign JuJu (pay him MORE money) just so to surrender those snaps to Skyy? Ooohwee buddy, that's a doozie.

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What? Literally no one said that.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What? Literally no one said that.





Didn't you have him pegged as taking that many snaps THIS year? I remember you being pretty high on him and all of your predictions falling flat.

Now you wanna argue that the Chiefs are going to resign JuJu (pay him MORE money) just so to surrender those snaps to Skyy? Ooohwee buddy, that's a doozie.

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You guys are saying that the skill set Skyy brings is the the type that best fits the role JuJu provides and that is being used to orchestrate how the pick wasn’t a good one at 54 over other options you guys liked better.

Or am I missing something?

I’m saying that having both on the field at the same time with Toney and Juju out wide and Skyy working mostly out of the slot is what I think will be how it plays out for the lions share of the snaps next year. Since day one, I’ve compared Skyy to Welker/Edelman and Karlaftis to Tamba and I stand by those.

Agreed that I was over zealous in how I thought his rookie season would play out. For sure I’ll take that L. I absolutely thought he would earn Pats trust nearly immediately and the opposite happened.

It’s very possible I completely missed on my evaluation of his during the draft season, but I dont think so.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Agreed that I was over zealous in how I thought his rookie season would play out. For sure I’ll take that L. I absolutely thought he would earn Pats trust nearly immediately and the opposite happened..

I don't think its lack of talent, It's Mahomes not trusting him, yet.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You guys are saying that the skill set Skyy brings is the the type that best fits the role JuJu provides and that is being used to orchestrate how the pick wasn’t a good one at 54 over other options you guys liked better.

Or am I missing something?

I’m saying that having both on the field at the same time with Toney and Juju out wide and Skyy working mostly out of the slot is what I think will be how it plays out for the lions share of the snaps next year. Since day one, I’ve compared Skyy to Welker/Edelman and Karlaftis to Tamba and I stand by those.

You are.

What we're saying is that Moore has many supporters here who have cited very strong hands, good short area skills and physicality as his most valued attributes. And that those were the attributes that have been cited in saying he was a good pick at 54.

I (and Detox I believe) are taking you on faith there and going ahead and GIVING him those attributes. And saying that he should be using them in the role presently occupied by JJSS.

It's not saying he's a bad pick because we think he should play the JJSS role, it's saying that if he's a good pick, he's PERFECT for the JJSS role.

Now you seem to think you want him out there WITH JJSS and that's where we keep getting back to the snap math. There just aren't as many out there as you think there are, especially when you start to look at the space on the field that Kelce, JJSS and Moore would all occupy. Suddenly you're looking at 3 underneath targets who do very little to threaten the deep/outer 1/3s. You're congesting your offense when you have all 3 of those guys on the field.

Because no, he's not running Justin Watson and his 20 yard ADOT routes. Nor is he running MVS's routes. Then you watch the end around and bubble screen passes and realize he ain't running the Hardman stuff, at least not as well as Hardman (if he stays) or Toney (if Hardman doesn't). And he's not going to displace Toney as Toney has simply been obviously better than him.

If you want to see Moore explode and you believe he can, putting him on the field WITH JJSS and Kelce isn't the answer. It's to put him on the field with Kelce and field stretchers like Hardman, Toney and MVS.

[RunKC]

We may get that DJ. If Juju does well this month he’s likely priced out. And I think Hardman will already be priced out.

I don’t see Wilie Gay taking a deal either unless it’s top of the market.

I foresee all of our open cap space going to Brown Jr, Jones and Sneed while we try to use the remaining sum on value guys like Justin Reid and Carlos Dunlap.

But Juju, Hardman and Gay are replaceable while Jones and Brown Jr are quite difficult to replace, so I get it

[chiefzilla1501]

Basically mecole is his own kind of weapon. He’s perfect for jet sweeps because if you give him a little space he can burst like no other. But I don’t know that he’s ideal for those quick hitches where you catch and the defender is immediately on you. Like the catch and run Toney made on snow globe. And we need a lot of that right now if defenses are going to take away deep stuff while playing a lot of man.