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Old 04-25-2008, 09:22 AM  
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Possible Chiefs\Saints trade
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DE Chris Long will be the Chiefs' pick if he's available, but should he be off the board Kansas City will want to retreat. swapping first-round picks with New Orleans and bringing [Jamaal]Brown into the fold would be an attractive scenario, as the Chiefs could then opt for another offensive lineman at No. 10 or get a much better value on their preferred defensive end, Derrick Harvey. And don't forget that extra picks beyond the swap of first-rounders would likely be included as well, so this would be a hard deal for Kansas City to turn down.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:01 PM   #166
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Why did they let us have Willie Roaf?
Because they couldn't keep him and Joe Horn on the same team.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:01 PM   #167
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Why did they let us have Willie Roaf?
Roaf had a blown knee, he did have an issue. and then tack on the Horn thing.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:02 PM   #168
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Roaf had a blown knee, he did have an issue. and then tack on the Horn thing.
wasn't that big an issue, he was still a pro bowler.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:06 PM   #169
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Bleh. Just draft your own tackle, I'm not interested in trading for someone else's problems.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:07 PM   #170
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wasn't that big an issue, he was still a pro bowler.
So they got that one right, trading for players with issues doesn't always work out..
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:08 PM   #171
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:08 PM   #172
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There could be any number of reasons why they would let Brown go.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:11 PM   #173
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Roaf had a blown knee, he did have an issue. and then tack on the Horn thing.

Or it could simply be the fact that Brown has been injured every year he's been with them and they've had guys fill in that have done a good job, so they feel they can move him to gain value at another position, and the Chiefs happen to have a need at his position and a draft pick that they covet to get one of the guys they want to make the team better overall since they feel getting our #5 will let them select a player that will improve their team overall than having additional depth at a position their comfortable with.

Not really shocking- still think their giving up more than 1 would expect, but they are moving from top 10 to top 5... that's not a small jump, and I'm one that has devalued the idea of top 5 players in the draft b/c usually you end up paying them way more to sign than what they really end up contributing.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:12 PM   #174
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He's been injured every year, I'd think that's it. No thanks.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:14 PM   #175
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Roaf got moved simply because Horn donked his wife and refused to play, and given his age he wasn't going to command more than a 2nd. They got a 3rd... Saints decided that it was smarter to keep the younger player, not a real mindboggler there.

Don't buy into the idea that the Saints thought he was spent. The guy spent 1/2 his time walking around like a cripple, but once the ball was snapped he dominated. Health concerns were not the deciding factor in the Roaf move.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:18 PM   #176
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He's been injured every year, I'd think that's it. No thanks.
Yeah its a gamble, but the value you get for him for what we give up assuming Dorsey and Long are gone is worth it. Any pick is a gamble. We could possibly pick up a pro bowl tackle to move back 5 spots and keep our 1st. At this point, the bold move is the right move.

No one is questioning Brown's talent- there are far less concerns with him than Pacman or other guys in the league.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:39 PM   #177
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I got a tag. Perhaps if I was in the trade down each pick then I'd be cool....
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I got a tag. Perhaps if I was in the trade down each pick then I'd be cool....
Nobody's saying the Chiefs should trade down each pick, and you know it. What the Saints are (possibly) offering is too good to pass up.

I agree that it seems too good to be true, and it does make me wonder. But that said, we'd be kicking ourselves in the ass if we didn't take advantage of another team's blunder for once.

I DON'T agree that trading down is a bad idea no matter the circumstances.
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Maybe they have someone who is better. Any number of reasons.
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You're assuming there's nothing wrong with Brown. There must be, or they wouldn't be trading him.
I understand that their is a degererative condition for Browns' knee that was known when he came out of OU. Brown will be wanting a good salary. Here is the deal. He is probably good for a few more years. We can give him a good salary because we are so far under the cap and see his pro bowl play for 3 years. The ability then to get say Albert as well means this line has a big turnaround from last year. It is not a long term LT solution. I think it is worth considering. I would do it. The big lost in this is the chance of securing Ellis and his play on the defensive side. The number of players tells me to forgo Ellis. We look for rotation at the DT position as best we can this year. If we see improvement on the offensive run control then the defense won't be on the field as much IN THE BEST SCENARIO.
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