Chiefs targeted, but by who?

[Red Dawg]

We play LAC on a Thursday night. NFL wanted the gane to have more meaning. They hosed Pitt to hype it up.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Let's play. So, why would the NFL push to elevate certain teams over others... big market love? It's all about money, right?

We all agree there are crappy calls and bad officials. The disconnect comes from the grand conspiracy.

The NFL ignored LA for a very long time. All of a sudden, they want to pump up the two teams there? I get the narrative around the stadium funding, I'm just not buying it.

Look at the Dallas Cowboys. Biggest franchise and global fan base in the history of the league.

The Cowboys are 2-8 since the 1998 season, never winning anything greater than a wildcard game since the 1995 SuperBowl.

23 years since their last SB win and only 3 playoff wins in that span.
Only 7 double digit win seasons in that span.

Why would the NFL not make the Cowboys more relevant during the past quarter century? Ratings, marketing, dollars ... all the components are there.

So, why?

For the record, I don't neccessarily buy into the whole 'conspiracy' thing, but I'll play devils advocate for a minute.

Why would the league need to prop up the Cowboys? They have the largest national following of any team in the league (have since the 70's). People will follow them regardless of whether they're winning or losing. It doesn't matter. Where would you rank Elliott and Prescott in the rank of NFL players? Among the Top 5 in the NFL? Probably not, right? Yet, they are 2 of the Top 5 selling jerseys in the NFL over the last few years. People love Dallas and will support them.

Now, with that, it's not a stretch to say that LA does not exactly have a 'devoted' fanbase when it comes to football teams. It's been proven in the past and probably will be again at some point in the future. BUT the NFL very much wants football to succeed in LA. It would mean a LOT financially for the league. New stadiums are being built, new fanbases are being created and trying to be 'won over'. I'm not saying it's a 'conspiracy', mind you, but its naive to think the NFL doesn't have a vested interest in success in the LA markets and it wouldn't shock me IF they steered things to make that happen. It wouldn't be the first time a major professional sports league has done that with an 'expansion' franchise. It's good business for the NFL and for all the owners to have two successful teams in LA, especially now.

Also, keep an eye on the Raiders the next couple years and what happens with them. Regardless of whether you believe in conspiracies or not, there are ALWAYS agendas in play . . . . . .

[Fish]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

For the record, I don't neccessarily buy into the whole 'conspiracy' thing, but I'll play devils advocate for a minute.

Why would the league need to prop up the Cowboys? They have the largest national following of any team in the league (have since the 70's). People will follow them regardless of whether they're winning or losing. It doesn't matter. Where would you rank Elliott and Prescott in the rank of NFL players? Among the Top 5 in the NFL? Probably not, right? Yet, they are 2 of the Top 5 selling jerseys in the NFL over the last few years. People love Dallas and will support them.

Now, with that, it's not a stretch to say that LA does not exactly have a 'devoted' fanbase when it comes to football teams. It's been proven in the past and probably will be again at some point in the future. BUT the NFL very much wants football to succeed in LA. It would mean a LOT financially for the league. New stadiums are being built, new fanbases are being created and trying to be 'won over'. I'm not saying it's a 'conspiracy', mind you, but its naive to think the NFL doesn't have a vested interest in success in the LA markets and it wouldn't shock me IF they steered things to make that happen. It wouldn't be the first time a major professional sports league has done that with an 'expansion' franchise. It's good business for the NFL and for all the owners to have two successful teams in LA, especially now.

Also, keep an eye on the Raiders the next couple years and what happens with them. Regardless of whether you believe in conspiracies or not, there are ALWAYS agendas in play . . . . . .

The NFL didn't pay for the new stadium. It's completely unnecessary for them to prop up any team. They will make money regardless of where the team is.
They have profit sharing explicitly for that purpose. The entire NFL is making record profit. Do they have a vested interest in seeing their teams succeed?
Sure. Would they risk their cash cow in a giant complex conspiracy just to try and nudge games? LOL, no. This is dumb.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Look at the Dallas Cowboys. Biggest franchise and global fan base in the history of the league.

The Cowboys are 2-8 since the 1998 season, never winning anything greater than a wildcard game since the 1995 SuperBowl.

23 years since their last SB win and only 3 playoff wins in that span.
Only 7 double digit win seasons in that span.

Why would the NFL not make the Cowboys more relevant during the past quarter century? Ratings, marketing, dollars ... all the components are there.

So, why?

Just my opinion but I think a lot of it goes back to 1995

In response to the lawsuit, Jones and the Cowboys filed a motion to dismiss. This motion was granted in part. Then, Jones took a big risk: He filed a $750 million antitrust lawsuit against the league. It was this legal maneuver that put the Cowboys on the ground to becoming the most valuable NFL franchise. In 2013, Forbes valued the team at a league-wide high of $2,300 million.


Full article here

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciaj.../#d0cd12278121

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Let's play. So, why would the NFL push to elevate certain teams over others... big market love? It's all about money, right?

We all agree there are crappy calls and bad officials. The disconnect comes from the grand conspiracy.

The NFL ignored LA for a very long time. All of a sudden, they want to pump up the two teams there? I get the narrative around the stadium funding, I'm just not buying it.

Look at the Dallas Cowboys. Biggest franchise and global fan base in the history of the league.

The Cowboys are 2-8 since the 1998 season, never winning anything greater than a wildcard game since the 1995 SuperBowl.

23 years since their last SB win and only 3 playoff wins in that span.
Only 7 double digit win seasons in that span.

Why would the NFL not make the Cowboys more relevant during the past quarter century? Ratings, marketing, dollars ... all the components are there.

So, why?

Are you really asking this question??? It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones.
The Cowboys are still relevant regardless, as you have illustrated by using them in your example.

[Frazod]

If the league's endgame is an all-LA Super Bowl, the first step is getting the Chargers the division. This will mean we'll have to lose to the Chargers and at least one other game. They'd probably prefer it if we lost to Baltimore first, since then a loss to the Chargers a week later would put us a full game back and probably **** us in tie-breaking scenarios.

We'll get flagged for anything and everything on Sunday, the Ravens will get away with murder, and the following Thursday, even though we'll all say it can't get any worse, they'll find a way.

I hope Pat's up for the challenge.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by Frazod

If the league's endgame is an all-LA Super Bowl, the first step is getting the Chargers the division. This will mean we'll have to lose to the Chargers and at least one other game. They'd probably prefer it if we lost to Baltimore first, since then a loss to the Chargers a week later would put us a full game back and probably **** us in tie-breaking scenarios.

We'll get flagged for anything and everything on Sunday, the Ravens will get away with murder, and the following Thursday, even though we'll all say it can't get any worse, they'll find a way.

I hope Pat's up for the challenge.

And I thought I was a Debbie Downer!

As much as this shakes me up, I am confident that Andy and the team will put together a game plan for the Ravens and then the Chargers. The defense will play better at home.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

And I thought I was a Debbie Downer!

As much as this shakes me up, I am confident that Andy and the team will put together a game plan for the Ravens and then the Chargers. The defense will play better at home.

The difference between this year and previous years is that we finally have a QB who can overcome the fix. Despite the ref$' best efforts, we're still a dropped INT and a couple of lucky bounces away from undefeated.

So there's hope. But there's also the harsh reality of multi-billion dollar industry that sees us as nothing more than a shiny red obstacle for their golden boys to overcome.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Frazod

The difference between this year and previous years is that we finally have a QB who can overcome the fix. Despite the ref$' best efforts, we're still a dropped INT and a couple of lucky bounces away from undefeated.

So there's hope. But there's also the harsh reality of multi-billion dollar industry that sees us as nothing more than a shiny red obstacle for their golden boys to overcome.

This is ****ing stupid. If you actually believe the games are "fixed", then it doesn't matter who the QB is. If the refs are manipulating games to a desired outcome, all they would have to do is throw flags at the right time. For example, the Chiefs vs. Raiders game in the 4th quarter. Mahomes scrambles around and finds Kelce for a big first down to set up Conley's TD that iced the game. If the refs were trying to steer that game into a Chiefs' loss, all they would have had to do is throw a flag for offensive holding. Play over, drive essentially over, and Oakland would get the ball back down by three.

Some of you people are too stupid to be taken seriously.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

This is ****ing stupid. If you actually believe the games are "fixed", then it doesn't matter who the QB is. If the refs are manipulating games to a desired outcome, all they would have to do is throw flags at the right time. For example, the Chiefs vs. Raiders game in the 4th quarter. Mahomes scrambles around and finds Kelce for a big first down to set up Conley's TD that iced the game. If the refs were trying to steer that game into a Chiefs' loss, all they would have had to do is throw a flag for offensive holding. Play over, drive essentially over, and Oakland would get the ball back down by three.

Some of you people are too stupid to be taken seriously.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

This is ****ing stupid. If you actually believe the games are "fixed", then it doesn't matter who the QB is. If the refs are manipulating games to a desired outcome, all they would have to do is throw flags at the right time. or example, the Chiefs vs. Raiders game in the 4th quarter. Mahomes scrambles around and finds Kelce for a big first down to set up Conley's TD that iced the game. If the refs were trying to steer that game into a Chiefs' loss, all they would have had to do is throw a flag for offensive holding. Play over, drive essentially over, and Oakland would get the ball back down by three.

Some of you people are too stupid to be taken seriously.

like last season against Oakland when there were 3 consecutive flags at the end of the game? Then the Raiders got a TD then everything was nice and clean

[gblowfish]

Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes!

https://www.masslive.com/expo/sports...convinced.html

[TEX]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes!

https://www.masslive.com/expo/sports...convinced.html

Yep. But they DID get hosed big time for certain twice, that lead directly to 14 pts. But **** THEM!

[Roger Dodger]

[QUOTE=gblowfish;13934851]Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes!



Squealers fans are always crying about something. Just like Big Baby Ben.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes!

Arm was literally around Harrison's throat as he gained the edge. I mean, c'mon...