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Old 01-08-2009, 10:07 PM  
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Bradford Please
I don't think he's coming out, but he's my choice in the QB dice-roll.
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:52 PM   #196
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Either Detriot will take Bradford for his Manningesque type of pocket passer abilities and his crazy college numbers, or they'll take Stafford for his big arm and upside pro style. Either way we'll get one of the two and I'm not too worried because I see great things in both of them, my personal pick is Stafford though. I'm not a mindless drone who just goes off one game, especially a game that happens almost a month after the regular college season ends to judge Bradford. I think they'll both be good quarterbacks but in my personal opinion I want the big arm cool under pressure comeback play of Matt Stafford cause our Oline even after FA and the draft won't be what Bradford had in Oklahoma.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:02 PM   #197
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I want the big arm cool under pressure comeback play of Matt Stafford cause our Oline even after FA and the draft won't be what Bradford had in Oklahoma.
You mean he won't have the kind of time he had in OU, right? Because even though our O line isn't great, it's still an NFL O-Line
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:05 PM   #198
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agree... but he will not hit the ground running in the NFL. A team that chooses him will have to be patient and develop him. I think he will be successful but not right away.

The Chiefs have always sucked at developing a QB.

I don't see how any QB is going to "hit the ground running" in the NFL. It's a different game, different speed and surrounded by more talent on both sides of the ball on game day than any QB is used to, I don't care what kind of college offense they run.

"NFL" style of offense - WTF does that mean? a good 75% of your team will never be on an NFL roster the other 25% may not be on one for more than a couple years, and somehow Stafford is ready to start and need little to no grooming? He's that much more prepared? I call BS.

The learning curve starts over in the NFL, all the stats, scores, records are reset. He who has talent, heart, desire, and the will to learn and win will prevail. And I see why Stafford is high on the leader board, but to be disappointed if we end up with Bradford is stupid....
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:10 PM   #199
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I don't see how any QB is going to "hit the ground running" in the NFL.
Matt Ryan.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:12 PM   #200
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I don't see how our past development of QBs is relevant with a completely new regime.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:13 PM   #201
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Either Detriot will take Bradford for his Manningesque type of pocket passer abilities and his crazy college numbers, or they'll take Stafford for his big arm and upside pro style. Either way we'll get one of the two and I'm not too worried because I see great things in both of them, my personal pick is Stafford though. I'm not a mindless drone who just goes off one game, especially a game that happens almost a month after the regular college season ends to judge Bradford. I think they'll both be good quarterbacks but in my personal opinion I want the big arm cool under pressure comeback play of Matt Stafford cause our Oline even after FA and the draft won't be what Bradford had in Oklahoma.
You did not just compare Bradford to Manning.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:19 PM   #202
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Matt Ryan.

oh, but he was (and is) in a spread system, that doesn't count [/hamas, mecca, you]
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:19 PM   #203
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oh, but he was (and is) in a spread system, that doesn't count [/hamas, mecca, you]
He wasn't, and isn't, and I wanted to draft Ryan last year.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:20 PM   #204
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Either Detriot will take Bradford for his Manningesque type of pocket passer abilities and his crazy college numbers, or they'll take Stafford for his big arm and upside pro style. Either way we'll get one of the two and I'm not too worried because I see great things in both of them, my personal pick is Stafford though. I'm not a mindless drone who just goes off one game, especially a game that happens almost a month after the regular college season ends to judge Bradford. I think they'll both be good quarterbacks but in my personal opinion I want the big arm cool under pressure comeback play of Matt Stafford cause our Oline even after FA and the draft won't be what Bradford had in Oklahoma.
Not exactly words I would use to describe Matthew Stafford, but you realize this is probably what a TON of Chargers fans were saying after the 98 draft, right?
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:24 PM   #205
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He wasn't, and isn't, and I wanted to draft Ryan last year.


sorry, I guess I was seeing things when he was/is always in the shotgun formation.

I liked him too, glad you wanted him, so what. Doesn't devalue my point. he went through an offseason program before his first start, correct? He is now proving that he can do it in the NFL, at least so far. Also - good for him.

Now, what was it exactly that proved he could do that when he was in college? Are those "rules" conclusive for ALL College QB's? How do the ryan leafs and tom bradys fall into that evaluation?
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:29 PM   #206
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sorry, I guess I was seeing things when he was/is always in the shotgun formation.

I liked him too, glad you wanted him, so what. Doesn't devalue my point. he went through an offseason program before his first start, correct? He is now proving that he can do it in the NFL, at least so far. Also - good for him.

Now, what was it exactly that proved he could do that when he was in college? Are those "rules" conclusive for ALL College QB's? How do the ryan leafs and tom bradys fall into that evaluation?

Atlanta runs a prostyle offense most of the time, and Ryan didn't run the spread offense at BC. A picture of Ryan in the shotgun formation doesn't mean what you think it means. Your point was that "I don't see how any QB is going to "hit the ground running" in the NFL.", which is bunk, and Ryan proves that it's bunk.
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Atlanta runs a prostyle offense most of the time, and Ryan didn't run the spread offense at BC. A picture of Ryan in the shotgun formation doesn't mean what you think it means. Your point was that "I don't see how any QB is going to "hit the ground running" in the NFL.", which is bunk, and Ryan proves that it's bunk.

You got a hard on for me don't you?

My point is that he went through an offseason too, preseason, got to get started on his new NFL learning curve, he made adjustments and learned, right?

Why is only Stafford the one that can do that next year? I don't understand how this arguement has legs and keeps resurfacing at every point of discussion about any other QB not named Stafford. And it's got to the point where now my baises for stafford are getting mauled.....
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You got a hard on for me don't you?

My point is that he went through an offseason too, preseason, got to get started on his new NFL learning curve, he made adjustments and learned, right?

Why is only Stafford the one that can do that next year? I don't understand how this arguement has legs and keeps resurfacing at every point of discussion about any other QB not named Stafford. And it's got to the point where now my baises for stafford are getting mauled.....
I didn't mention Stafford, so I don't really know why you're bringing him up.
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I didn't mention Stafford, so I don't really know why you're bringing him up.

that was the point of my comparisions that you first responded too, hence the reason I say you just have a hard on for me. doesn't matter that in this thread, we both have said Bradford is underrated on this board and he even impressed us last night. You still had to try and find a way to argue with me.

whatever.
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It's kinda "all or nothing" here. We deal in extremes.

My personal wish list is...

Sanchez
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But to be honest, I'd be excited about any of those 3. It's about time the Chiefs went "balls out" and went after a franchise QB.
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I can't say Bradford is going to be a bust, but if I'm a GM, I'm not making a $60M investment in a kid that is going to have to be taught how to take snaps from center, learn 3, 5 and 7 step drops and actually read a defense, pre and post snap.

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I'm one of the few people that refuse to make that ridiculous comment that he doesn't make NFL-caliber throws. He does, but he's not required to nearly as often as Sanchez and Stafford.

He's obviously a talented college QB, but he has more going against him in regards to becoming a NFL QB compared to the other two.

Playing in a pro style offense is a HUGE advantage for Stafford and Sanchez.

Does Bradford have potential?

Absolutely.

But is that potential worth a $60M investment and a top draft pick, knowing that he has a hill to climb right out of the box, learning how to take snaps, use proper footwork on drops, and read defenses pre/post snap?

Bradford has potential, I'm just not sure it's going to be realized early enough to make him worth that large of a financial investment.

Even Herbstreit and Corso said he's going to have a large learning curve if he does declare.
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