If Curry is gone at the 3 spot...who do we take or what do we do?

[journeyscarab]

Say the Lions draft Curry, Rams draft Smith....do we take Monroe/Orakpo/or drop a few spots to get someone else?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by bdeg

Dorsey never performed like Randy Johnson.

I'm not saying our scheme played to his strengths, but Dorsey's no all-star we should tailor our defense around. He has potential, but there was some disagreement about where he should be played when he came out. All we can do is wait and see, I think he can be a performer in the new D.

It takes 3 years to find out what you have in a defensive tackle.

If you drafted a franchise QB to put in an offense like New England has, would you change it after one year to a smashmouth variant that ran the ball 630 times a year?

There wasn't really disagreement about where he would be played, either:

Scott Wright's report from last year:

Glenn Dorsey
Height: 6-11/2 | Weight: 297 | 40-Time: 5.05

Strengths:
Very strong and powerful...Extremely active with a non-stop motor...Outstanding quickness with a burst to close...A hard worker with terrific intangibles...Agile and changes directions well...Can penetrate and wreak havoc in the backfield...Stout at the point of attack and can hold his ground versus the run...Has long arms and plays with very good leverage...Has excellent range...Smart with nice awareness and instincts...Has a lot of experience...Versatile and has played all along the line.

Weaknesses:
Size and bulk are merely average...Timed speed is good but not great...Has dealt with some injuries and durability may be a concern...Will not be a good fit in a 3-4 scheme...Was not overly productive from a statistical standpoint...Does not get a great push...Won't physically dominate opponents...Isn't a standout pass rusher.

Notes:
Wore metal braces on his legs as a 3-year old due to severely bowed legs...Split time with future pros Claude Wroten and Kyle Williams early in his career..In '07 he won the Outland Trophy, Bronko Nagurski Award and the Lombardi Award...A player whose impact and contributions can't be judged strictly by numbers since he creates so many opportunities for his teammates...Struggled with a leg injury in 2006 and a knee injury in 2007...Might have been a Top 10 overall pick had he entered the 2007 NFL Draft after his junior season...Can be either a 3-technique or a nose tackle in a 4-3 defense...One of the best defensive tackle prospects to enter the NFL in recent years...Should be a mortal lock for the Top 5 overall picks.

[bdeg]

He's still not a proven commodity, even in the 4-3.

Yes, that's his best fit, but there's no guarantee he'll excel. He has a chance to be good in the 3-4. It neutralizes his quickness, but we weren't using that anyway.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by bdeg

He's still not a proven commodity, even in the 4-3.

Yes, that's his best fit, but there's no guarantee he'll excel. He has a chance to be good in the 3-4. It neutralized his quickness, but he weren't using that anyway.

If we start giving up on guys after one year, we'll be 2-14 for eternity.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think so. He should run the defense that he thinks he can excel with.

There was never a better time to consider a 3-4 alignment. The Chiefs need a ton of players to run a 4-3 effectively, let alone a 3-4. Yes, some players might get pushed out, but filling in the pieces becomes considerably easier. Finding LBs in a 3-4 is really easy. If you find a nose tackle, the rush end becomes easier too.

While I like Dorsey, he's not a guy you build a defense around.

If you stayed in the 4-3 you draft Curry to play SAM, move DJ to Will and then draft Dunlap or Griffin next year and you are set.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If you stayed in the 4-3 you draft Curry to play SAM, move DJ to Will and then draft Dunlap or Griffin next year and you are set.

I'm gonna be sick.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is what I love about this place.

One dumbass makes a stupid comment.

Another dumbass comes in to back him up.

Dumbass #1 thinks he's vindicated.

Dumbassery spreads.

Big 14???

[bdeg]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If we start giving up on guys after one year, we'll be 2-14 for eternity.

It's more giving up on the whole front 7, which I think may be necessary. Our secondary has played well the front 7 just fell apart last season.

[bdeg]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If you stayed in the 4-3 you draft Curry to play SAM, move DJ to Will and then draft Dunlap or Griffin next year and you are set.

And who's our MLB? What about the bigger(non 3-tech) tackle?

[ChiefsCountry]

When you dont have a rush defensive end, middle linebacker or SAM backer of course your front seven is going to fall apart. Put a legit NFL starter in those positions and our front seven isnt that bad.

[keg in kc]

Well, personally, if Curry is gone at three I do a little happy dance.

[bdeg]

You're talking 2 top 5 draft picks, if we used those on a NT and a rush backer, you'd see a near-complete defense too.

[tk13]

I don't know, we're talking about a 3-4 linebacker here. I think it's different if we're going to play 4-3, but why can't Curry play in a 3-4? Half the battle with a LB in a 3-4 is confusing the offense with the blitz packages. It's not like a 4-3 down lineman who has to play with his hand on the ground and develop pass rush moves. You're basically telling me you can't teach the guy to chase after the QB?

I mean he can't be held up by blockers every time of course but it's not like you're gonna be asking him to develop a bunch of Reggie White pass moves. You're gonna line him up all over the field and try to outsmart the offensive line with your blitz packages. Can he be smart enough to drop back in coverage when asked is the bigger question to me.

I mean we'd need a big DT too like Raji, but we need people all over the field. That's the same issue as on the offensive line... we've spent so many picks at these positions. It doesn't make a lot of sense to move Albert over, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to give up on guys like Tank and Dorsey, but we're going to have to do something.

Either way, people make their typical arrogant arguments, when in reality we need both a run stuffing DT, and a rush LB. When Parcells joined the Patriots he spent a #4 pick on McGinest. And Belichick spent top ten picks on guys like Seymour and Mayo. It's not an either/or thing.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Well, personally, if Curry is gone at three I do a little happy dance.

Who do you want then? I don't think he was asking about your personal aerobic habits.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't know, we're talking about a 3-4 linebacker here. I think it's different if we're going to play 4-3, but why can't Curry play in a 3-4? Half the battle with a LB in a 3-4 is confusing the offense with the blitz packages. It's not like a 4-3 down lineman who has to play with his hand on the ground and develop pass rush moves. You're basically telling me you can't teach the guy to chase after the QB?
.

Your rush backer is going to face the left tackle. He better have some damn nice pass rushing moves, or he's gonna get his ass whipped.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't know, we're talking about a 3-4 linebacker here. I think it's different if we're going to play 4-3, but why can't Curry play in a 3-4? Half the battle with a LB in a 3-4 is confusing the offense with the blitz packages. It's not like a 4-3 down lineman who has to play with his hand on the ground and develop pass rush moves. You're basically telling me you can't teach the guy to chase after the QB?

I mean he can't be held up by blockers every time of course but it's not like you're gonna be asking him to develop a bunch of Reggie White pass moves. You're gonna line him up all over the field and try to outsmart the offensive line with your blitz packages. Can he be smart enough to drop back in coverage when asked is the bigger question to me.

I mean we'd need a big DT too like Raji, but we need people all over the field. That's the same issue as on the offensive line... we've spent so many picks at these positions. It doesn't make a lot of sense to move Albert over, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to give up on guys like Tank and Dorsey, but we're going to have to do something.

Either way, people make their typical arrogant arguments, when in reality we need both a run stuffing DT, and a rush LB. When Parcells joined the Patriots he spent a #4 pick on McGinest. And Belichick spent top ten picks on guys like Seymour and Mayo. It's not an either/or thing.

If Curry can develop into a legit pass rusher he can be a perfect 3-4 OLB. He will be better than Suggs.

That said, the pass rushing part is the most important and hardest to develop.