**** you, Dee Ford

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But I never said it doesn’t happen. I said it doesn’t happen often and is unlikely. The chances are slim that Murphy turns out as good as White, let alone has a rookie season like he did.

And about the Nelson thing, if you’re going to talk about ceilings, I’m not going to disagree. That’s not what we’re talking about though. We’re talking about the immediate impact of a guy like Clark versus a rookie corner on a team that’s trying to win a SB this year, not next.

Well, yeah, you're for sure gonna have more immediate impact with a current player, unless something unforeseen happens.

But it also wouldn't have been straight across. You'd have had more money to play with to bring in another pass rusher or something (although not as good of a player as Clark, likely).

You may have had Murphy or whoever at 29. Yeah, they probably aren't gonna be Deion year 1, but I'm not sure the "all in this year" strategy is the best way to go about it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, yeah, you're for sure gonna have more immediate impact with a current player, unless something unforeseen happens.

But it also wouldn't have been straight across. You'd have had more money to play with to bring in another pass rusher or something (although not as good of a player as Clark, likely).

Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

[MMXcalibur]

Those 20 seconds before the penalty was called on Dee Ford was the happiest time I've ever had as a Chiefs fan.

For those 20 seconds, the Super Bowl was a reality. After the call, I fell to my knees and yelled because I knew exactly what was going to happen next.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by MMXcalibur

Those 20 seconds before the penalty was called on Dee Ford was the happiest time I've ever had as a Chiefs fan.

For those 20 seconds, the Super Bowl was a reality. After the call, I fell to my knees and yelled because I knew exactly what was going to happen next.

Man. I was so happy.

Felt the same, too. Once the penalty wiped it away I knew how that story would end. What a waste of a magical season.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Man. I was so happy.

Felt the same, too. Once the penalty wiped it away I knew how that story would end. What a waste of a magical season.

Yep. Time stood still as I thought,
"Because Chiefs"...

[O.city]

From the sounds of it, Fox just isn't ready to take over at Punter.

Now, with this offense, i'd be thinking about just doing it and taking a little setback there, but they won't. By Williams, do you mean Damien or?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

From the sounds of it, Fox just isn't ready to take over at Punter.

Now, with this offense, i'd be thinking about just doing it and taking a little setback there, but they won't. By Williams, do you mean Damien or?

Xavier. Didn't make that terribly clear.

The team is a little worse (maybe) with Fox/Darrell Williams/Justin Hamilton than it is with Colquitt/Hyde/Xavier Williams - but that's also a tick over $6.5 million in cap rollover that they'll have for 2020.

And I understand that Colquitt is revered but man, this just isn't the team it's been for the last 30 damn years. Punter is pretty much the last thing I give a shit about at this point. The greatest value he has, IMO, is as a holder. And in fairness, he's damn good at that and maybe that's worth the extra $20 million he'd cost over Fox on a minimum contract. Though if Fox is just a damn mess that's largely moot. I'd be a little surprised if that were the case.

Gonna be tough to get Mahomes, Hill and Jones into this cap and keep a solid team everywhere. If moving on from a punter helps get that done, I just don't have a problem with it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Xavier. Didn't make that terribly clear.

The team is a little worse (maybe) with Fox/Darrell Williams/Justin Hamilton than it is with Colquitt/Hyde/Xavier Williams - but that's also a tick over $6.5 million in cap rollover that they'll have for 2020.

And I understand that Colquitt is revered but man, this just isn't the team it's been for the last 30 damn years. Punter is pretty much the last thing I give a shit about at this point. The greatest value he has, IMO, is as a holder. And in fairness, he's damn good at that and maybe that's worth the extra $20 million he'd cost over Fox on a minimum contract. Though if Fox is just a damn mess that's largely moot. I'd be a little surprised if that were the case.

Gonna be tough to get Mahomes, Hill and Jones into this cap and keep a solid team everywhere. If moving on from a punter helps get that done, I just don't have a problem with it.

Maybe, just not sure if they'll chance it. They place a high priority on ST's, which maybe it's time not to in terms of a punter.

I'd be fine with Williams and Hyde. There's probably a few other area's you could make it cheaper at as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe, just not sure if they'll chance it. They place a high priority on ST's, which maybe it's time not to in terms of a punter.

I'd be fine with Williams and Hyde. There's probably a few other area's you could make it cheaper at as well.

Not many.

Dirty Dan, but they don't really have a ready replacement for him. Ward and Lucas aren't as rugged, Thornhill and Mathieu are otherwise engaged.

It's tough to find many/any 7 figure cuts after that group. Most of the rest of them are cheap enough that their replacements won't cost much less. Demarcus Robinson would save about $2 million ($1.4 million after paying his replacement) but I'd rather keep him at that price point. Lucas would be about the same, Ragland even less after paying his replacement (only about $750K in savings). There's not a ton of fat on this cap right now.

If you cut Colquitt, X Williams, Hyde AND Sorensen you'd end up adding north of $10 million to next year's cap when you account for rollover and absorbing some dead money in 2019. You'd take a $30+ million cap credit into 2020 absent extensions that eat into it. It's not nothing.

[O.city]

I'd keep Dan. I think he's a great 3rd safety. Little expensive sure, but still.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd keep Dan. I think he's a great 3rd safety. Little expensive sure, but still.

Depends - is Spags gonna use a 3rd safety or is Dan strictly box safety insurance?

I don't get the impression that Spags is a 3rd safety guy and in fact, DoD could see that hybrid role more than we expect given Mathieus versatility and the amount of Nickel coverage we're likely to play.

I could see a scenario where Dirty Dan is a little redundant. I agree with you that it's not likely but it's not completely beyond reason either.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Depends - is Spags gonna use a 3rd safety or is Dan strictly box safety insurance?

I don't get the impression that Spags is a 3rd safety guy and in fact, DoD could see that hybrid role more than we expect given Mathieus versatility and the amount of Nickel coverage we're likely to play.

I could see a scenario where Dirty Dan is a little redundant. I agree with you that it's not likely but it's not completely beyond reason either.

Based on camp reports, they've been using 3 safeties more than not. So i'd guess he stays.

If not, I could see them using DoD or Lee like that though and that would help vs the run

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Good God this pick sucked. Screw Dorsey in his teeth.

[suzzer99]

Has anyone really looked at the Ward interception that was nullified by Ford? At the time I was worried he was bobbling it the whole way - he ended up fumbling it out of bounds.

Of course the booth would go all zapruder film like they did on the Edelman muff. I fear they'd find some excuse to say he never had full possession. Was it air-tight?

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Has anyone really looked at the Ward interception that was nullified by Ford? At the time I was worried he was bobbling it the whole way - he ended up fumbling it out of bounds.

Of course the booth would go all zapruder film like they did on the Edelman muff. I fear they'd find some excuse to say he never had full possession. Was it air-tight?

Was for sure an interception. Took at least 3 steps and stiff armed gronk before losing the ball out of bounds.