ESPN gave us a B draft grade. Does that make the pessimist happier?

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[Cormac]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hootie is the kinda guy who talks shit on a message board and we know why that is.

Says the guy who's a long weekend from SIXTY THOUSAND POSTS!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Raji is worth it if he becomes what he is projected to be.

A 3-technique 1-gap tackle?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And for some of us, it's not about who we did or didn't pick. It's about being aware that we don't really have any control over it.

I know where your coming from, and in the past, I've been able to do just that - because I was fully confident that Carl would **** it up.

But even though Pioli was never my 1st choice from the get-go, I expected a shit-ton more from a guy that people seem to think was the brains behind the Patriots dynasty.

Like this draft or hate it, there was a ton of value left on the board, and we passed every time. I mean, if you knew nothing about Carl being fired and Pioli being hired, you'd assume this draft was the work of Carl Peterson - and that is unacceptable, IMO.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I follow it way to much to be like "oh well whatever".

I was once like that, but the seasons of 1993 - 2003 have pretty much molded my "meh" attitude.

[ChiefsCountry]

Like I said before Cassel is our 1st round pick and Jackson is our #2. I dont mind the Jackson pick, its better than Curry or Monroe.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's pretty easy to have an "oh well" attitude now and it makes Sundays alot better.

Plus, it has dramatically improved my overall health.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

A 3-technique 1-gap tackle?

That's precisely why Ted Thompson drafted him to be a 2 gap Nose Tackle.

Have you been lobotomized?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I want someone to tell me why I should be happy when the only value pick the Chiefs made was Donald Washington, all of the rest of the guys they took were shit value for their draft slots.

Because the Patriot Way isn't nessecarily about value more so scheme. Who was left at 3 that had more value? Sanchez? We don't need a QB. Raji? You've said he has some red flags. Jackson fits the scheme.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I know where your coming from, and in the past, I've been able to do just that - because I was fully confident that Carl would **** it up.

But even though Pioli was never my 1st choice from the get-go, I expected a shit-ton more from a guy that people seem to think was the brains behind the Patriots dynasty.

Like this draft or hate it, there was a ton of value left on the board, and we passed every time. I mean, if you knew nothing about Carl being fired and Pioli being hired, you'd assume this draft was the work of Carl Peterson - and that is unacceptable, IMO.

That's the thing. You expected more of what? We have no idea what is going to happen with these guys. This draft could end up being the cornerstone of a Super Bowl run. What we percieve as value isn't the same as what an NFL team sees as value, as evidenced by the fact that all but about 3 teams had at least one if not 2 total WTF picks in rounds 2 through 5.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's precisely why Ted Thompson drafted him to be a 2 gap Nose Tackle.

Have you been lobotomized?

Lots of people HOPE he can be a 2-gap nose tackle.

And the scouting reports UNIVERSALLY said he was better suited to be a 4-3 UT.

Furthermore, it's pretty obvious from the moves they've made that we don't need a 2-gap anything because we're going to be running a primarily 1-gap defense.

If not caring enough to get all pissed off makes me stupid somehow, then call me stupid. It's a fuggin game.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

What we percieve as value isn't the same as what an NFL team sees as value

Not picking "my guy" doesn't necessarily mean they made a mistake, in other words.

That's a lesson it took me a few years to learn, albeit mostly watching other teams' drafts.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by billay

Because the Patriot Way isn't nessecarily about value more so scheme. Who was left at 3 that had more value? Sanchez? We don't need a QB. Raji? You've said he has some red flags. Jackson fits the scheme.

So did Sammie Lee Hill, Jarron Gilbert, and Ron Brace. Taking them at 3 because they "fit the scheme" is reeruned. Passing on guys who would "fit the scheme", especially when they have good value, and rush the passer, is even more reeruned.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I know where your coming from, and in the past, I've been able to do just that - because I was fully confident that Carl would **** it up.

But even though Pioli was never my 1st choice from the get-go, I expected a shit-ton more from a guy that people seem to think was the brains behind the Patriots dynasty.

Like this draft or hate it, there was a ton of value left on the board, and we passed every time. I mean, if you knew nothing about Carl being fired and Pioli being hired, you'd assume this draft was the work of Carl Peterson - and that is unacceptable, IMO.

Ha that's what I said if you put Petersons name on this draft people would buy it.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I know where your coming from, and in the past, I've been able to do just that - because I was fully confident that Carl would **** it up.

But even though Pioli was never my 1st choice from the get-go, I expected a shit-ton more from a guy that people seem to think was the brains behind the Patriots dynasty.

Like this draft or hate it, there was a ton of value left on the board, and we passed every time. I mean, if you knew nothing about Carl being fired and Pioli being hired, you'd assume this draft was the work of Carl Peterson - and that is unacceptable, IMO.

What you claim is value was clearly not looked at as having that same value in the eyes of the Chiefs. That's really the point. You, Mecca and the rest of the people who are still pissing about this draft, have set yourselves up as if you are all experts and Pioli is just some clown who walked in off the street and started making picks. The funny thing is that Hamas put forth a list that pretty much makes this point, but he actually thinks it helps your side of the argument. Players like Gilbert (3rd), Meredith (5th) and Sidbury (4th) made it well into the draft, yet your side of the argument acts as if they were too good to pass up. If they'd been that good, they wouldn't have fallen that far.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Lots of people HOPE he can be a 2-gap nose tackle.

And the scouting reports UNIVERSALLY said he was better suited to be a 4-3 UT.

Furthermore, it's pretty obvious from the moves they've made that we don't need a 2-gap anything because we're going to be running a primarily 1-gap defense..

Strengths:
Outstanding mass and bulk...Excellent strength...Stout at the point of attack...Can fill two gaps...Able to occupy multiple blockers...Tough, powerful and nasty...A beast against the run...Can really collapse the pocket...Able to penetrate and make plays in the backfield...Above average athleticism...Quick and agile...Pursues well and has a burst to close...Good instincts and awareness...Will offer schematic versatility.

Weaknesses:
Conditioning and stamina have been problems...Is shorter than you'd prefer...Maturity and commitment have been questioned...Doesn't always play with proper leverage...Inconsistent and his motor tends to run hot and cold...Is not an elite pass rusher...Struggled to keep up with his studies and intelligence may be an issue..Durability concerns?

Notes:
First name is "Busari"...Father migrated from Nigeria...A three-year starter in the ACC...Named 1st Team All-ACC in 2008...Sat out the 2007 season for academic reasons and redshirted...Was ejected from a game in 2006 for throwing a punch...Missed spring ball in 2008 after undergoing offseason shoulder surgery...Weighed more than 350 pounds at one point but is most effective at 325-330...Potential 3-4 nose tackle but could also fit in a 4-3 scheme...Has the physical tools to be great but intangibles could hold him back and prevent him from maximizing his potential...Had an amazing senior season and showed what a truly dominant force he can be when in shape and motivated.

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So, in summation, Raji's a one gap player, but the scouting reports say he's better as a 4-3 3 technique, yet the scouting report above says he can occupy multiple blockers, fills two gaps, and can play in either scheme.

And your clincher is that we are going to play a one gap system anyway, so it doesn't matter because Raji is a one gap player?