Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 15

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Nonsense.

This statement operates with the assumption that some on this board complain for the sake of complaining. To believe this type of assumption, one has to turn a blind eye to a mountain of posts offering some of the most nuanced arguments on the board.

So..in essence you didn't answer my question.

mmaddog
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:44 PM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ighlight=Grade

For keg.

Similar negative grades from most who bashed this draft, save for Dane. Similar reactions from those who support this draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:45 PM

You know what the McCluster pick is for me?

It's a better version of Oakland's Mike Mitchell pick.

Oakland reached for the wrong guy, and then it was universally rationalized as "Oh, the Bears were gonna take him if we didn't."

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

So..in essence you didn't answer my question.

mmaddog
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No, he did, you just apparently aren't able to understand the answer.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

I've seen the best get beaten like a whipped dog in one game...if you are going to guage a person on one game, you're bound to make mistakes.

mmaddog
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It was more than just one game watch the senoir bowl. Arenas dosn't have break away speed.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Didn't Troup go in the 1st Round?

Sorry...but I'm one that sees Cody as Ryan Sims v2 just like Cam Thomas.

I don't follow football as closely as many here do...or at least enough to venture a guess anymore. But all the players mentioned above seemed to come with baggage that made more than 1 team pass them up.

mmaddog
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Troup went at 41, IIRC.

But hey man, the Jets passed on Marino, so obviously they know something that we don't.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I have been with you more against you on this draft but I will disagree with this a little bit. I think most people didn't know who he was and was confused because he was listed as a RB. I know for me after listening what other experts have said and watched the video, wow this guy is as explosive as anyone I have seen. So I readily admit I was probably wrong about this guy and am kind of excited that he is on our team.

Well, then let me put it this way:

If you don't know who the player is, you shouldn't offer an opinion.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There's never no chance, but he carries a huge risk with far less potential upside than someone like Graham.

Even more laughingly, he's smaller and slower than Brad Cottam as well. Of course, I fully expect that Cottam will be cut because he's not one of the Brahman, so a direct comparison will be difficult.

I'll ask you this much:

Was trading up to get Tony Moeaki worth Cam Thomas?

A week ago, did you know who Tony Moeaki was, and did you have him in the same galaxy of his ability to help this team as a Cam Thomas?

First off, I knew who Tony Moeaki was before a week ago and with the Ferentz connection, I wasn't surprised by the pick in the least. There is quite a bit of Big Ten football broadcast on ESPN to the west coast and I've seen Iowa play numerous times over the past few years.

Furthermore, it's not my decision as to whether or not Moeaki was worth losing Cam Thomas. The question in the War Room was this:

Can we go into the season with Leonard Pope, Brad Cottam and Jake O'Connell as our tight ends?

Can we go into this season with Ron Edwards and Shaun Smith as our NT's?

Which is better addressed at this particular point in the draft?

There is absolutely no denying that tight end was a position of need. They felt that Moeaki was worth taking at that time and quite frankly, no one, Pioli included, knows if it was exactly the right decision.

But with that said, I'm not going to pretend that someone like Cam Thomas, a fifth rounder, would have even been on their board in the fifth.And even if he was, that shouldn't paralyze any GM from doing what they think is right at any given moment in the draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Can we go into the season with Leonard Pope, Brad Cottam and Jake O'Connell as our tight ends?

Can we go into this season with Ron Edwards and Shaun Smith as our NT's?

Which is better addressed at this particular point in the draft?

I am completely without words.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, he did, you just apparently aren't able to understand the answer.

How about I pose it here for both of you direct and to the point...

If we picked Kindle at 2a (or hell even 2B) and he was injured would you be bitching about wasting a pick on a player we knew had been injured before?

mmaddog
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**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Who is worth more:

An outside linebacker in a 3-4 who can harass the QB
A 0 technique who can command consistent double teams
A potential franchise QB
A slot receiver with size and speed
A legit #2 receiver

or Dave Meggett

I think McCluster's absolute upside is Dave Meggett.

He'll be a good player, but he's not worth more than the above.

I disagree.

The Kindle and Cody both went to teams that are loaded defensively and are able to take chances (medical and physical/mental) on boom or bust players. The Chiefs cannot at this point in time.

If McCluster's upside is Meggett on the field, sign me up! He was instrumental in those Giants offenses in the 80's and key to their Super Bowl appearances.

I'll take productivity and playmaking over boom or bust guys any day of the week in 2010.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, then let me put it this way:

If you don't know who the player is, you shouldn't offer an opinion.

Wow..how arrogant.

Usually it's fun reading your assessment because at least you don't show a team bias....but this year you seem to have a thin skin when it comes to people disagreeing with you.

mmaddog
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**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I am completely without words.

Sorry.

I guarantee that was what was going on in their minds.

I've spoken to quite a few of my friends in the college ranks that have ties to the NFL and the way most of these guys see it, if THEIR guy is on the board, they get him.

I'm not saying that they're right or wrong with that approach but I think that if Moeaki performs as expected, it would have been silly for them to think "Well, if we take Moeaki, we may not have a chance at X player 50 picks down the line".

That kind of thinking paralyzes teams into making bad choices.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Wow..how arrogant.

Usually it's fun reading your assessment because at least you don't show a team bias....but this year you seem to have a thin skin when it comes to people disagreeing with you.

mmaddog
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It's not arrogant at all.

Would you go to someone off the street who had no idea what Health Care Reform was and ask them their opinion on it?

Would you ask a 90 year old woman who doesn't know the difference between a calculator and a Cray super computer if an I7 was a superior processor to a top of the line AMD?

No.

chris · 04-25-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

What a useless ****ing post.

Nope, great post.

Some don't like being called out as silly fools. The draft comedy from numerous CP " draft experts" has been priceless.

The Clausen man lovers have been the best!

04-25-2010, 08:04 AM
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $104644	Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+ The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ighlight=Grade For keg. Similar negative grades from most who bashed this draft, save for Dane. Similar reactions from those who support this draft. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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04-25-2010, 02:45 PM	#213
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	You know what the McCluster pick is for me? It's a better version of Oakland's Mike Mitchell pick. Oakland reached for the wrong guy, and then it was universally rationalized as "Oh, the Bears were gonna take him if we didn't." __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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