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Old 08-31-2009, 05:15 PM  
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Who is the greatest American villain?

A Charles Manson reference in another thread got me thinking about this. Who is the greatest villain in American history, the one that will draw the most ire from any right-thinking American?

Give me some options and I'll put up a poll. Nominees can come from any category: war, politics, crime, business, finance, celebrity, sports, child care, Benetton models, comic strip artists (Bil Keane, anyone?), or others. Give me your best shot.

The rules:

1. We're talking true villainy here. Villainy where you can't really defend anything the person did at a dinner party without getting winces.

2. We're talking national scale. Remember, the kicker that shall go unnamed is a hero in Indianapolis.

3. Real life only. While many may villainize Elmer Fudd for his relentless and brazen murderous stalking of Bugs Bunny, Mr. Fudd does not actually exist, and therefore any villainous acts committed by Mr. Fudd do not exist, either.

4. The villain must be an American citizen, or if their villainy took place before 1783, a resident of the area that would eventually become the United State AND acting against the United States for villainous reasons rather than sincere loyalty to another country in conflict with nascent American liberty movements or peoples and in the absence of a history of loyalty to American causes.

Once I get 20 reasonable candidates, I'll post the poll.

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Old 09-01-2009, 12:32 PM   #226
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I may have missed it, but I'm surprised no one has listed Sirhan Sirhan...
Was Sirhan an American? I thought he was Jordanian.

I haven't looked it up though.

EDIT: My bad. He was Palestinian.
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:33 PM   #227
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:38 PM   #228
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Greatest AMERICAN villans?
Depends on your point of view, but you can make a case for these "villans" affecting the greatest number of Americans with their actions:
Andrew Jackson (ask the Native Americans)
Gen. WT Sherman (ask the South)
Capt. W Quantrill (ask Kansas)
Gen. T Ewing (Ask Missouri)
John Rockefeller (reason for anti-trust legislation)
FDR (ask Japanese Americans)
Joseph McCarthy (red scare in the 50's)
LBJ (ask a Vietnam Vet)
Nixon (ask a Vietnam War Protester)
Dubya (Where's the WMD's?)
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:42 PM   #229
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:42 PM   #230
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I still think the civil war divided 2 ways resulted in the most loss of life that can be contributed to one person in american history.
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:45 PM   #231
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I still think the civil war divided 2 ways resulted in the most loss of life that can be contributed to one person in american history.
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Which one person? The idiot that decided that it would be a good idea to fire on Fort Sumter?
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:48 PM   #232
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:55 PM   #233
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Which one person? The idiot that decided that it would be a good idea to fire on Fort Sumter?
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No, I put the blame on jefferson davis and abraham lincoln both, thus dividing the total civil war casualties both ways making them co-villains.

Another person you could make a case for is truman.
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:58 PM   #234
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Old 09-01-2009, 01:00 PM   #235
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Which one person? The idiot that decided that it would be a good idea to fire on Fort Sumter?
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So you're saying that Beauregard should have just allowed a foreign power to maintain a military base right in the middle of a key harbor?
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Old 09-01-2009, 01:03 PM   #236
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He was an amazing guy - probably the most skilled gunman of the era.
hmmmm i always considered wes hardin more of a cold blooded murderer & wild bill more the iconic shootist.
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Old 09-01-2009, 01:15 PM   #240
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hmmmm i always considered wes hardin more of a cold blooded murderer & wild bill more the iconic shootist.
Hardin was pretty much unequalled in his prowess with a pistol. Even in later life he was still capable of pulling off amazing trick shots. Hickok himself was reluctant to challenge him.

But yes, he was definitely a cold blooded killer.
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