Mitch Holthus on Des Moines radio daily during camp...updates here - Page 17

htismaqe · 07:28 AM

8/18 Update posted by htismaqe
Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in.

Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell.

On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been.

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8/16 Update posted by jspchief
Talked about Gunther on the rampage.

Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up.

Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan.

Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team.

Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick.

Some scrub from ISU quit the team.

Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting.

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8/15 Update posted by htismaqe
The news is not good boys.

The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting.

Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks.

He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday.

Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing.
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8/12 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out.

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8/11 Update posted by htismaqe
Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news.

Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55).

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8/10 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's.

He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ.

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8/9 Update posted by htismaqe
Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams.

Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play.

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8/8 Update posted by htismaqe
Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too.

Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said.

Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion.

Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team.

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8/5 Update posted by htismaqe
Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except...

When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far.

Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field.

Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's.

That's about all I can remember.

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8/4 Update posted by jspchief
Talking LBs mostly.

Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position.

That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America.

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8/3 Update posted by htismaqe
Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews:

1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right.

2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too.

The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn.

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8/2 Update posted by htismaqe
Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later).

Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing.

He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead.

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8/1 Update posted by htismaqe
I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there:

Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp

Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets.

That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken".

htismaqe · 08-04-2005, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Missouri would be a heck of a squad if Pinkel wasn't in charge.

Still, the division belongs to 3 teams. Colorado, Nebraska, and Kansas State. It hasn't been any other way. Those are the 3 teams that will remain in contention for the North title.

Wow. That's all I can say.

K-State has just as many question marks as any other team in the North. Automatically annointing them a contender is a bit homerish.

Missouri you already mentioned - Pinkel.

And Nebraska won't recover like you think. That excellent DC they brought in from Wisconsin took basically the same personnel and made a top 10 defense into a bottom 10 defense. Nebraska may finish LAST.

**Saulbadguy** · 08-04-2005, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Wow. That's all I can say.

K-State has just as many question marks as any other team in the North. Automatically annointing them a contender is a bit homerish.

Missouri you already mentioned - Pinkel.

And Nebraska won't recover like you think. That excellent DC they brought in from Wisconsin took basically the same personnel and made a top 10 defense into a bottom 10 defense. Nebraska may finish LAST.

Whens the last time ISU, Kansas, or Missouri has won the North? How about even contend for the title? Once every few years for ISU/MU. KU, never. Until they prove otherwise, like I said, it will be a 3 team division.

CU IMO has the best chance to repeat. They return most of their starters on offense, and just about all of them on defense. Nebraska is up in the air, but they are bringin in alot of JUCO talent that may fill their needs quickly. Kansas State has done the same thing.

ROYC75 · 08-04-2005, 10:32 AM

This Chiefs thread has been hijacked by college football talk............

WilliamTheIrish · 08-04-2005, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Whens the last time ISU, Kansas, or Missouri has won the North? How about even contend for the title? Once every few years for ISU/MU. KU, never. Until they prove otherwise, like I said, it will be a 3 team division.

CU IMO has the best chance to repeat. They return most of their starters on offense, and just about all of them on defense. Nebraska is up in the air, but they are bringin in alot of JUCO talent that may fill their needs quickly. Kansas State has done the same thing.

The last time ISU contended for anything Dwayne Crutchfield was their RB.

**Saulbadguy** · 08-04-2005, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

The last time ISU contended for anything Dwayne Crutchfield was their RB.

Just a few years ago people said ISU would contend. The Seneca Wallace days. They did ok, but still got crushed by KSU, NU, and CU for the most part. McCarney isn't a good coach, and ISU has the smallest FB budget in the Big XII. Nothing will change that fact this year. They will remain a mediocre to bad team for awhile.

Kyle401 · 08-04-2005, 11:10 AM

Meanwhile, back to the NFL.......

Seneca Wallace has been promoted to the #2 QB position for the Seahawks following the departure of Trent Dilfer. He is also fielding punt and kicks in practice.

ct · 08-04-2005, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle401

Meanwhile, back to the NFL.......

Seneca Wallace has been promoted to the #2 QB position for the Seahawks following the departure of Trent Dilfer. He is also fielding punt and kicks in practice.

Very nice segway!

htismaqe · 08-04-2005, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Whens the last time ISU, Kansas, or Missouri has won the North? How about even contend for the title? Once every few years for ISU/MU. KU, never. Until they prove otherwise, like I said, it will be a 3 team division.

CU IMO has the best chance to repeat. They return most of their starters on offense, and just about all of them on defense. Nebraska is up in the air, but they are bringin in alot of JUCO talent that may fill their needs quickly. Kansas State has done the same thing.

ISU shared the North title last year and would have won it outright had they not lost to Mizzou by 3 point in OT.

htismaqe · 08-04-2005, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Just a few years ago people said ISU would contend. The Seneca Wallace days. They did ok, but still got crushed by KSU, NU, and CU for the most part. McCarney isn't a good coach, and ISU has the smallest FB budget in the Big XII. Nothing will change that fact this year. They will remain a mediocre to bad team for awhile.

KSU, NU, and CU aren't the same teams they were then.

ISU could finish 6-5 this year and still have a chance to win the North.

Kyle401 · 08-04-2005, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coryt

Very nice segway!

Thanks!

jspchief · 08-04-2005, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Just a few years ago people said ISU would contend. The Seneca Wallace days. They did ok, but still got crushed by KSU, NU, and CU for the most part. McCarney isn't a good coach, and ISU has the smallest FB budget in the Big XII. Nothing will change that fact this year. They will remain a mediocre to bad team for awhile.

This year's ISU team will be a much more complete team than that teram with Wallace. The year they were good with Wallace, it was basically a one man show.

And if your only reason for saying they will suck is because they have been sh*tty for a long time, that's not much of a arguement. It's not like crappy schools don't occasionally get lucky and field good teams. I'm not saying ISU is neccessarily going to be good. They are just going to better than the rest of the crap in that division.

Besides, picking KSU to be good this year just shows what a sad homer you are.

I don't know why the fuck I'm sticking up for the Cyclowns. Iowa will snap them in half in mid October, leaving a pile of bones for the pathetic north to display their crapiness against.

htismaqe · 08-04-2005, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

This year's ISU team will be a much more complete team than that teram with Wallace. The year they were good with Wallace, it was basically a one man show.

And if your only reason for saying they will suck is because they have been sh*tty for a long time, that's not much of a arguement. It's not like crappy schools don't occasionally get lucky and field good teams. I'm not saying ISU is neccessarily going to be good. They are just going to better than the rest of the crap in that division.

If it's impossible for perennially crappy teams to win, what happened with Kansas State?

Oh yeah, that's right. The "perenially crappy team" argument is a LOAD OF CRAP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't know why the fuck I'm sticking up for the Cyclowns. Iowa will snap them in half in mid October, leaving a pile of bones for the pathetic north to display their crapiness against.

**Saulbadguy** · 08-04-2005, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

Besides, picking KSU to be good this year just shows what a sad homer you are.

Hey, they can't get much worst. I actually think CU will be the team to beat, not ISU. They return ALOT. I don't know why you Cyclone sympathizers overlook them.

Pants · 08-04-2005, 01:53 PM

Fujita? Not make the team? WTF?

htismaqe · 08-04-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Hey, they can't get much worst. I actually think CU will be the team to beat, not ISU. They return ALOT. I don't know why you Cyclone sympathizers overlook them.

Cyclone sympathizer? I certainly hope you didn't get your degree at K-State, doesn't say much about them academically. They do teach basic reading and comprehension, right?

Posted TODAY at 11:13am by htismaqe
If it's that tempting, put your money where your mouth is.

Name 2 teams in the North that have, definitively, less questions than Iowa State.

I see Colorado. Who's the other?

08-01-2005, 07:23 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8069900	Holthus on Des Moines radio...only caught part of it... 8/18 Update posted by htismaqe Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in. Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell. On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been. ------------------------------- 8/16 Update posted by jspchief Talked about Gunther on the rampage. Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up. Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan. Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team. Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick. Some scrub from ISU quit the team. Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting. ------------------------------- 8/15 Update posted by htismaqe The news is not good boys. The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting. Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks. He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday. Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing. ------------------------------- 8/12 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out. ------------------------------- 8/11 Update posted by htismaqe Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news. Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55). ------------------------------- 8/10 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's. He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ. ------------------------------- 8/9 Update posted by htismaqe Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams. Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play. ------------------------------- 8/8 Update posted by htismaqe Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too. Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said. Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion. Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team. ------------------------------- 8/5 Update posted by htismaqe Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except... When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far. Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field. Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's. That's about all I can remember. ------------------------------- 8/4 Update posted by jspchief Talking LBs mostly. Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position. That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America. ------------------------------- 8/3 Update posted by htismaqe Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews: 1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right. 2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too. The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn. ------------------------------- 8/2 Update posted by htismaqe Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later). Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing. He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead. ------------------------------- 8/1 Update posted by htismaqe I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there: Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets. That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken". 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