Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

In psychology and logic, rationalization (or making excuses^[1]) is the process of constructing a logical justification for a belief, decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process. It is a defense mechanism in which perceived controversial behaviors or feelings are explained in a rational or logical manner to avoid the true explanation of the behavior or feeling in question.^[2][3] It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.^{[citation needed]}
This process can be in a range from fully conscious (e.g. to present an external defense against ridicule from others) to mostly subconscious (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt).


Rationalization is one of the defense mechanisms proposed by Sigmund Freud, which were later developed further by his daughter Anna Freud.


According to the DSM-IV, rationalization occurs "when the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by concealing the true motivations for his or her own thoughts, actions, or feelings through the elaboration of reassuring or self serving but incorrect explanations."

I understand what rationalization is Hamas. I even said in the draft thread I can rationalize this pick

Have you gone back and read and watched this kid? I don't see how you can't be excited about him.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Here's the way I see the line:

Albert/Asamoah/Niswanger/Brown/O'Callaghan.

If Brown can't beat out Lilja, then Lilja will start at right guard. I think Waters is depth this year or cut loose altogether. I can't understand why Faneca was waived but Waters wasn't.

As for Allenman and Nsukwe, it was a wasted 6th round pick. I think the only way Nsukwe makes the club is as a backup player at right guard and right tackle or injury to one of the starters in preseason.

I don't see how Waters can stick around just to be a back up. Honestly i'm wonderng why Pioli keeps wasting resources on positions like Guard and tight end but wont address the QB position.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by billay

Thing is Moleaki wasn't there they had to give up picks. Just like they gave up picks for Jake O'Connell. Really is the tight end position worth four picks for a team with this many holes?

Apparently for the Chiefs, Pioli, Haley and Weis, it was.

Time will tell whether or not it pays off but I am not going to proclaim at this point in time that it was a "wasted pick".

Keep in mind, the Chiefs had four tight ends on their roster last year in Ryan, Pope, O'Connell and Cottam. Ryan is gone, Cottam ended the year on IR (again), Pope is nothing special and O'Connell has a long, long way to go before being a productive NFL player.

They needed to make a move of some sort and this was it. I'll wait a while to judge whether it was right or wrong.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

The one pick that pissed me off more than any other was Javier Arenas. The more I see this kid though, the less I dislike the pick. I HATE the value of McCluster and Arenas both, but I think they're both going to be contributors to the team.

Arenas in particular is someone I'm growing very warm too. The reason for that is not so much his return ability, I saw that right away. If this guy can blitz the QB from the nickel spot and have half the success he had in college, he's going to be a force.

Overall, it is what it is and I'm going to get behind the newest Chiefs. I reserve the right to resume my shit talking should this team come out looking like last year's team did.

And I still think we're looking at the worst rush defense in the league. That's going to automatically make the pass defense better and people will say mission accomplished. That's flawed logic IMO.

Good post though the pick I was most upset about and still am is the moving up and taking an oft-injured TE. I didn't like the Areanas pick either but I guess in their mind a KR\slot CB is more important than NT.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

So what you want to do is dodge answering the question by reverting to psychological answers....

So using your very thought process can't the same hypothesis be used on all draft picks?

mmaddog
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My responses to you aren't psychological answers, they are logical ones.



Good God.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by billay

I don't see how Waters can stick around just to be a back up. Honestly i'm wonderng why Pioli keeps wasting resources on positions like Guard and tight end but wont address the QB position.

He addressed the QB position last year by trading for Cassel and signing Gutierrez. He wasn't going to address it again this year.

The offensive line needed to be addressed, big time. Hopefully, Brown will start at right guard and Asamoah at left, giving the Chiefs four young players along their line to build around.

I have absolutely no issues with Asamoah as a Chief. The guy could be a 10 year starter barring injury.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What you can't find are elite nose tackles off the street.

Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, Jamal Williams, Shaun Rogers, and Kris Jenkins were all very high draft picks.

It's a complete inversion of value.

Thomas wasn't drafted until the 5th round. Using your own logic, that would not be a "very high draft pick". Therefore, why would you assume he was the right nose tackle to take when all those 'elite' NTs you pointed to were drafted in the first (Wilfork, Hampton) or second round (Jenkins, Williams, Rogers)?

[CarlPeterson_fan]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

So let me pose these questions to you...

1) Are you a paid evaluator of college football talent? (If yes, skip question 2)

2) Are you a football coach at University/College/HS? (If yes, skip question 3)

3) What makes you any more knowledgeable than any other amateur draft evaluator???

mmaddog
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I used to run the draft every year for thi team. Does my opinion count? Before you answer, I think Pioli. or Egoli as my favorite moron shitbag columnist calls him, sucks balls.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He addressed the QB position last year by trading for Cassel and signing Gutierrez. He wasn't going to address it again this year.

The offensive line needed to be addressed, big time. Hopefully, Brown will start at right guard and Asamoah at left, giving the Chiefs four young players along their line to build around.

I have absolutely no issues with Asamoah as a Chief. The guy could be a 10 year starter barring injury.

Yea Asamoah was a good pick hopefully the next Will Shields though thats expecting alot. The point is Pioli addressed the QB and it sucked and did nothing. He addressed other said positions they sucked and he addressed them again.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I understand what rationalization is Hamas. I even said in the draft thread I can rationalize this pick

Have you gone back and read and watched this kid? I don't see how you can't be excited about him.

Like I said, I think he could potentially be Dave Meggett if everything works out for him.

That said, Sergio Kindle could be Brian Orakpo, DeMarcus Ware, or James Harrison if everything works out for him.

Who would you rather have?

(and again, realize that neither are realistic comparisons)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by billay

Yea Asamoah was a good pick hopefully the next Will Shields though thats expecting alot. The point is Pioli addressed the QB and it sucked and did nothing. He addressed other said positions they sucked and he addressed them again.

As long as Pioli is here, Matt Cassel will be, too.

He will play out that contract by hook or by crook.

You don't get a lower risk-higher reward selection than Clausen at 36, and if you don't take him there, we aren't drafting a QB high--ever.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Like I said, I think he could potentially be Dave Meggett if everything works out for him.

That said, Sergio Kindle could be Brian Orakpo, DeMarcus Ware, or James Harrison if everything works out for him.

Who would you rather have?

(and again, realize that neither are realistic comparisons)

Megget is the floor.....you're so full of your own spew.

PhilFree

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

You haven't answered jack-crap.

You've dodged answering the direct questions. Pretty simple yes/no questions.

You sound like a guilty defendant trying not to incriminate himself on the witness stand.

mmaddog
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And you sound like a moron who doesn't understand logic and you are completely incapable of understanding the implicit flaws in your line of thinking, so let me draw it out for your stupid ass in crayon:

Some other NFL talent evaluators: Charlie Casserly, Matt Millen, Tom Donahoe, Carl Peterson, Ted Xanders, Pat Kirwin.

Are they, because of the positions that they hold, beyond reproach? Do they know what they are doing simply because they are "evaluators"?


The answer of course, is no. I shouldn't have to tell you this. You're an adult, for Christ's sake.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Like I said, I think he could potentially be Dave Meggett if everything works out for him.

That said, Sergio Kindle could be Brian Orakpo, DeMarcus Ware, or James Harrison if everything works out for him.

Who would you rather have?

(and again, realize that neither are realistic comparisons)

Dave Meggett on the field or off the field?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by philfree

Megget is the floor.....you're so full of your own spew.

PhilFree

So Dexter McCluster is, at worst, a two time Pro Bowler?

Bull****.