Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.

[Frankie]

Our D might well end up a good one as the season progresses. But I'm very very worried about the first game. Not just to lose, but to lose discouragingly big.

1- Our DL while solid has not shown signs of wreaking havoc in the opponents' backfield. Yes I'm told that's the style of 34 Romeo plays. But wait....

2- Without Tamba Hali Ryan will have all day to throw, especially considering point 1.

3- The thought of Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Gonzo, against our depleted secondary stresses me to almost puking.

This is gonna be one of those games when we see passes completed against our D with scary consistency. The only way we have any chance to win this is if we can manage long time consuming run heavy drives that would keep the Atlanta O on the bench for the majority of the game. Maybe that's why Daboll was emphasizing the run in the last preseason game so much.

Tell me something hopeful.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

contributors? what have they contributed exactly? 3/4s if this list have done nothing good in terms of legitimate NFL production in their careers yet. Absolutely nothing. Pure homerism to crown these guys already even as even role players

You have no idea how the NFL works, do you?

If a team gets 2 starters out of a draft, its a successful draft.

We got 3 starters already out of the 2011 class in Baldwin, Hudson and Houston...3 more out of the 2010 class in Berry, Lewis and Asamoah (and arguably 3 more that could be considered starters in DMC, Arenas and Moeaki) and out of the 2009 class, he got Jackson, Succop and Belcher.

Anyone that thinks thats not a good 3 year stretch of drafting, doesnt know what they are talking about.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The bust rate for 2nd rounders is 50 percent. 3rd round? 70

[BossChief]

If I have some extra time to burn someday, Im gonna go through every single 2nd and 3rd round pick the league has had over the last 15 years and see what percentage of them are even in the NFL after 3 years.

Then, how many of them are starters after 3 years.

Then, how many are probowl quality players after 5.

I bet the numbers would astonish the majority of this board.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Jalil Brown? Ricky Stanzi? Jerrell Powe? Allen Bailey? Dexter McCluster? Cameron Sheffield?

JAKE O'CONNELL? TYSON JACKSON?



You think Pioli hit on those picks?

Yep.

Jackson is one of the better 3-4 defensive ends in the league right now.

McCluster has been the featured guy this past preseason in the Chiefs offense and played well.

Brown, Powe, Bailey and Stanzi are just starting their second year after a first year that didn't have a training camp, and saw a head coaching change. Brown and Bailey contributed last year in situational play and were effective. Powe has looked the best of all the NT on the roster this preseason.

It doesn't happen overnight, and it doesn't happen through free agency. The past three drafts have been superb in filling in the holes and getting better talent on this team.

You want a reason to bitch about shitty drafts? Go look at the 20 years previous to Pioli and see how many of those guys in those drafts stuck around after a couple of years.

It's refreshing to see our draft picks develop within the system and stick around. It's a good way to build a quality team.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The only guy I'd take over Arenas out of those guys is Cody.

BTW...calling Cody or Spikes a "3 down player" is a ****ing joke and shows your inability to understand your own comment.

You wouldn't take lee over arenas? I like arenas but I really disagree with that. Laughing at the idea is even more out of control.

Originally Posted by mcaj22

all those guys start

at real NFL positions and not a part time gadget 2nd string position

Gadget position? Tate is a three down starter? No.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yep.

Jackson is one of the better 3-4 defensive ends in the league right now.

McCluster has been the featured guy this past preseason in the Chiefs offense and played well.

Brown, Powe, Bailey and Stanzi are just starting their second year after a first year that didn't have a training camp, and saw a head coaching change. Brown and Bailey contributed last year in situational play and were effective. Powe has looked the best of all the NT on the roster this preseason.

It doesn't happen overnight, and it doesn't happen through free agency. The past three drafts have been superb in filling in the holes and getting better talent on this team.

You want a reason to bitch about shitty drafts? Go look at the 20 years previous to Pioli and see how many of those guys in those drafts stuck around after a couple of years.

It's refreshing to see our draft picks develop within the system and stick around. It's a good way to build a quality team.

I will not deny that Pioli hasn't done a solid job rounding out the roster, but where is the drafting genius that everyone thought was Pioli? All of our impact players/bonafied stars are all from the previous regime with the exception of 1.

Flowers, Bowe, Carr last year, Hali, Charles, DJ are all from the previous regime, and 4 of those players made all pro type impacts within their first 2 seasons.

The only all pro Pioli has picked out of his 3 drafts has been Berry.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by New World Order

I will not deny that Pioli hasn't done a solid job rounding out the roster, but where is the drafting genius that everyone thought was Pioli? All of our impact players/bonafied stars are all from the previous regime with the exception of 1.

Flowers, Bowe, Carr last year, Hali, Charles, DJ are all from the previous regime, and 4 of those players made all pro type impacts within their first 2 seasons.

The only all pro Pioli has picked out of his 3 drafts has been Berry.

Carr, Hali and DJ weren't much more than just potential in 2009. This regime either developed them or completely turned their careers around.

Give credit to the previous regime for Flowers, Charles and Bowe though...no doubt.

[OctoberFart]

Originally Posted by JD10367

The early lines have Atlanta favored at -2 to -2.5 in most places.

They must really consider Arrowhead to be a touchdown's difference, 'cause I would've expected the line to be more like -9.

Well they would be 7.5 favorites at home. Lines have been consistent at -1 to -1.5. This is the easiest bet of week 1.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by New World Order

I will not deny that Pioli hasn't done a solid job rounding out the roster, but where is the drafting genius that everyone thought was Pioli? All of our impact players/bonafied stars are all from the previous regime with the exception of 1.

Flowers, Bowe, Carr last year, Hali, Charles, DJ are all from the previous regime, and 4 of those players made all pro type impacts within their first 2 seasons.

The only all pro Pioli has picked out of his 3 drafts has been Berry.

BB hasn't been killing it either. They seem to have been best together plus they got some luck. Pioli kills himself with the qb issue. If he fixes that the rest of his moves get more light plus probably improve with a better qb around them.

[OctoberFart]

Originally Posted by Big Smoke

Sorry back on track here. I say run the ball 35 times and we win.

If you do that your P will have double digit punts.

[New World Order]

If we can limit Cassel's attemps to 5 or below we will win this game, no doubt.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by New World Order

I will not deny that Pioli hasn't done a solid job rounding out the roster, but where is the drafting genius that everyone thought was Pioli? All of our impact players/bonafied stars are all from the previous regime with the exception of 1.

Flowers, Bowe, Carr last year, Hali, Charles, DJ are all from the previous regime, and 4 of those players made all pro type impacts within their first 2 seasons.

The only all pro Pioli has picked out of his 3 drafts has been Berry.

Who was all pro within 2 seasons?


Maybe Bowe. Maybe.


This is something i've been thinking about with all the "the core guys are from Peterson" talk.

They are, no arguing that. However, this is Pioli's 4th year at the helm. So at best, this is the 4th year in the league for some of his picks and 3rd year from some, so on and so on.

Some of his picks have the potential to become cornerstones(Houston, Berry obviously, Baldwin, Poe, Hudson, Asamoah, Jackson, etc). Potential. They are still young pups in the league, we have no idea what they will become yet.

However, in my opinion, there in-lies the problem with Pioli's formula he seems to be using here. He's tried to build up the overall talent of the team and done a pretty good job of it. Has drafted some guys that have potential to become stars in the league and some guys who aren't still in the league, so yeah of course he's missed on some picks. But, by building the team first and not having the QB, it makes it much tougher. If you have the "Guy" at qb, you can still win games and keep your job while this young talent you have done your homework on and drafted grows into what you vision them becoming.

Pioli might have done a great job putting together this roster, but if they don't win now, he's not likely to be around when the real fruit comes to bear, so to say. Which is why it seems like the bass ackwards way of doing things.

Look at the Lions. Roster for Roster, I'd say we would stack up pretty favorably and likely be ahead in some areas.

But they have a star at QB. Legit gunslinging star, who can carry them while they continue to build the roster into what they want. It's that part that Pioli seems to be really great at doing. He's built a talented, while unproven at alot of places, roster. He just went about it the wrong way, if that makes any sense.

[NJChiefsFan]

If you are a gm in this league going after a qb at all costs and then building the roster has a better chance of working out quicker than building and then getting the qb. Obviously police tried getting the qb but it should have been a 1 yr trial. He continues to make his job harder waiting for a chance in the draft instead of making one no matter the cost.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

If you are a gm in this league going after a qb at all costs and then building the roster has a better chance of working out quicker than building and then getting the qb. Obviously police tried getting the qb but it should have been a 1 yr trial. He continues to make his job harder waiting for a chance in the draft instead of making one no matter the cost.

This is where you come to an impass. You want to keep building the roster by not giving up picks, but without the right QB, what exactly are you building for.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by O.city

Who was all pro within 2 seasons?


Maybe Bowe. Maybe.


This is something i've been thinking about with all the "the core guys are from Peterson" talk.

They are, no arguing that. However, this is Pioli's 4th year at the helm. So at best, this is the 4th year in the league for some of his picks and 3rd year from some, so on and so on.

Some of his picks have the potential to become cornerstones(Houston, Berry obviously, Baldwin, Poe, Hudson, Asamoah, Jackson, etc). Potential. They are still young pups in the league, we have no idea what they will become yet.

However, in my opinion, there in-lies the problem with Pioli's formula he seems to be using here. He's tried to build up the overall talent of the team and done a pretty good job of it. Has drafted some guys that have potential to become stars in the league and some guys who aren't still in the league, so yeah of course he's missed on some picks. But, by building the team first and not having the QB, it makes it much tougher. If you have the "Guy" at qb, you can still win games and keep your job while this young talent you have done your homework on and drafted grows into what you vision them becoming.

Pioli might have done a great job putting together this roster, but if they don't win now, he's not likely to be around when the real fruit comes to bear, so to say. Which is why it seems like the bass ackwards way of doing things.

Look at the Lions. Roster for Roster, I'd say we would stack up pretty favorably and likely be ahead in some areas.

But they have a star at QB. Legit gunslinging star, who can carry them while they continue to build the roster into what they want. It's that part that Pioli seems to be really great at doing. He's built a talented, while unproven at alot of places, roster. He just went about it the wrong way, if that makes any sense.

Flowers, Bowe, and Charles are 3 players who looked to be future stars within their first 2 seasons.

I am not denying Pioli has done a solid job rounding out the roster, but there are some things that bother me, picking a solid 3/4 DE with the third pick in the draft. Let me ask you something, would you have picked him first? Because we were not that far off.

Signing Matt Cassel to a long term deal and giving him Drew Brees money overshadows anything Pioli has done.

Remember, as to rounding out the roster I give him some credit, but building the foundation he has failed, and failed hard. Everyone acts like we have a good roster. Why? Where is the depth? Our backups continue to get killed during the preseason. It is sad to think that in our 4th season we are still struggling with depth issues most notably the CB position. I guess Pioli didn't learn last year.