If the Chiefs took WR Christian Watson at 30…

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Par for the course.

I've become among the largest 'Watson Haters' as a result of saying I don't think I'd consider him until the late 2nd.

An FCS kid with disappointing production and genuine red flags regarding his readiness for the next level and I'm STILL willing to at least consider the possibility of taking him in the top 70 picks - somehow that makes me a hater, I guess.

Ain't a lot of room for disagreement during draft season. It's just the way it goes...

Originally Posted by kccrow

I agree with a lot of this. I do agree with the "hate." I don't "hate" him and hope I'm not projecting that, I just don't like him as the pick at 30 or 50. My opinion is that's massive reaching based almost exclusively on those athletic traits. Personally, I stand by my comp to MVS with Watson, and I don't think that warrants a day 2 pick. I'd probably grade Watson as a 4th round guy. I don't think he'd be there in the 4th when KC picks, so I'd be mostly okay with him in the late 3rd. I've moved towards the mean by being on board with late 2nd but that's not where I value him. In the end, it doesn't matter what I think but I'm a draft nerd so I guess I just appreciate the thrill of looking back and seeing if my analysis was on or not.

I'm more of a believer in a team taking big swings later, most ideally in the 3rd and 4th rounds. If I were to zone in on a WR with speed for days and on the ascent that might be really good in a couple of years, then give me Danny Gray in the 3rd. A pass rusher that has some amazing physical tools but needs to get bigger and refine technique? Give me Amare Barno in the 3rd. I like those stabs. I think they merit, probably, 4th-round grades but I like them late 3rd because they probably aren't going to be there when KC picks in the 4th.

There's really only one person that I would say is swerving into "hate" territory. And it's neither of you.

I will say, DJ, we've been around and around on his production levels. Considering he had 30 percent of their overall receiving yards (and 35 percent each of his last two seasons), I think you might find the NDSU coaches have a differing opinion on whether his production was disappointing or not.

I know you feel like they would feed him the ball more if he were a truly elite NFL prospect, but I'm not so sure. I see a guy that was clearly their No. 1 weapon when they did throw the ball, on a team that just didn't need to throw the ball much and doesn't believe in it.

He wouldn't be the first guy whose college system didn't take full advantage of him.

[wachashi]

Odds are very good that Christian Watson won't even be available at 50. He could be, but probably not.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Odds are very good that Christian Watson won't even be available at 50. He could be, but probably not.

Shit, there’s a chance he isn’t even there at 29.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Shit, there’s a chance he isn’t even there at 29.

And a chance he's there at 94.

Though I do think the WR market going batshit insane has pushed the entire class up a bit.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Shit, there’s a chance he isn’t even there at 29.

Yep, Green Bay could very well select him at 28 and that wouldn't be shocking. He could fill that MVS role for them.

He's a polarizing prospect for sure. This thread is evidence of that.

I think he probably makes it out of the first round but isn't making it to 50. I doubt the Chiefs take him.

[Kiimo]

Someone never picked up Will Fuller from the fantasy waiver wire and it shows.



*and then dropped him three weeks later

[Chris Meck]

It's interesting. Ultimately, none of us know diddly about how these kids project to the NFL. The GMs know...well, somewhat more, but it's still a crap-shoot.

The talking heads know...I don't know, some even less maybe than some of us. But there's a bunch of hype about these guys because the draft class is viewed in a vacuum. The best prospect in this draft might not even be a top ten pick in say, 2018's draft.

But that wouldn't be interesting television, or click-worthy internet.

It seems like a deep draft to me, and I've seen it repeated as such. I think there are a lot of potential stars outside of the first round, but most of course, will wash out.

I don't know. Thursday can't get here fast enough.

I can tell you this, though-no matter what Veach does, I'm not going to criticize until I see the product on the field.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It's interesting. Ultimately, none of us know diddly about how these kids project to the NFL. The GMs know...well, somewhat more, but it's still a crap-shoot.

The talking heads know...I don't know, some even less maybe than some of us. But there's a bunch of hype about these guys because the draft class is viewed in a vacuum. The best prospect in this draft might not even be a top ten pick in say, 2018's draft.

But that wouldn't be interesting television, or click-worthy internet.

It seems like a deep draft to me, and I've seen it repeated as such. I think there are a lot of potential stars outside of the first round, but most of course, will wash out.

I don't know. Thursday can't get here fast enough.

I can tell you this, though-no matter what Veach does, I'm not going to criticize until I see the product on the field.

Its a draft that has a lot of talent but not much obvious superstar talent.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Its a draft that has a lot of talent but not much obvious superstar talent.

How many drafts do though? I mean, you're probably lucky to have a handful of superstar players that emerge from any single draft and another handful of really good players. I would wager they aren't all very obvious, maybe 2 to 3?

If I had to pick 5 guys that truly look like superstars to me, they would be Hutchinson, Thibodeaux, Cross, Lloyd, and Gardner. For 5 more that look like they'll be really good but probably not superstars, I'd go with Ekwonu, Hamilton, Wilson, Penning, and Linderbaum.

Other than those guys, I see mostly solid players or boom/bust prospects. If you hit on the boom, you may have a superstar but if you don't... A handful of those guys might be Stingley, Williams, Walker, Davis, and Willis.

[MahomesMagic]

2017 draft had tons of talent but not a lot of obvious blue chip players.

I loved Mahomes that year but a lot of guys that people were pushing early 1st that year such as Corey Davis, OJ Howard, John Ross and Solomon Thomas were blah.

But the you see guys like Tre White still around late 1 and then you had all kinds of value with Godwin, Cooper Kupp, Juju and Kittle after the 1st round.

[ToxSocks]

Gonna watch more Christian Watson today. Eerie feeling the Chiefs may take him.

I'm gonna have to be ready to do battle with DJ and all them.

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Gonna watch more Christian Watson today. Eerie feeling the Chiefs may take him.

I'm gonna have to be ready to do battle with DJ and all them.

[The Franchise]

Pickens or Watson at either 29 or 30 would be annoying but I'd probably understand why they did it based off of potential.

**** Skyy Moore with a rusty screwdriver though. I'll be ****ing pissed if they take him.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Pickens or Watson at either 29 or 30 would be annoying but I'd probably understand why they did it based off of potential.

**** Skyy Moore with a rusty screwdriver though. I'll be ****ing pissed if they take him.

I just can't understand why they'd take Watson, especially that high.

Shouldn't they have learned their lesson with the development curve of Hardman? Very similar strengths/weaknesses there.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just can't understand why they'd take Watson, especially that high.

Shouldn't they have learned their lesson with the development curve of Hardman? Very similar strengths/weaknesses there.

If they take Watson it tells me they learned nothing after Hardman.

We will teach him to run routes now seems like a bad idea with a high pick.