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C-Mac · 11-21-2007, 07:43 AM

GRETZ: The Conservative Approach

Nov 21, 2007, 1:04:17 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ

It was so predictable.

In the moments after the Chiefs loss at Indianapolis, the drumbeat started.

The Chiefs had been too conservative on offense. They had hamstrung Brodie Croyle in his first NFL start. They had not let the kid fling the ball around the yard.

And that’s why the Chiefs lost. This mantra started in the press box and then some of the boys in the locker room joined in, supposedly giving this point of view credibility.

Let me put it this way: one of the key reasons the Chiefs were a factor in the game was because they pulled in the offensive horns in for Croyle’s first start.

It’s the same thing that happened early in the 2006 season, when the Chiefs went to Denver and Damon Huard was making his first start, after Trent Green was injured. Everyone wrote the Chiefs off that day, but they went in, played great defense and kept a tight reign on the offense in a loud and hostile stadium.

The Chiefs went to overtime that day before losing. Against Indy, they went down to the final seconds before falling to a Colts field goal.

There were two situations that seem to have caused the most bellyaching amongst the second guessers. The first came late in the first half. The Chiefs got the ball at their own 23-yard line with one minute, 18 seconds to play and all three of their timeouts. They ran two running plays and went to the locker room tied 3-3.

Why not take a shot down the field? Why not go for it?

Because on the last offensive play before that possession, Croyle had been smacked by Robert Mathis of the Colts, fumbled and Indianapolis recovered the ball. That eventually provided them the opportunity to kick the field goal that tied the game. Plus, the Colts had a pair of timeouts remaining and they were going to get the ball to start the second half. Throw three passes, run no time off the clock and give Peyton Manning another chance before the half? That’s crazy talk.

Second situation came in the fourth quarter, with 7:41 to play and the Chiefs with a 3rd down-and-18 to go play. The Chiefs ran Kolby Smith and he gained two yards. They punted the ball away to the Colts.

Why not go for it? Let me count the ways. First, on the second down play, that leaky pass protection had again allowed a sack of Croyle. Two, 3rd-and-18 gets converted about eight percent of the time. Don’t believe me? This past weekend in the NFL, there were 37 third down plays where the distance to a first down was 15 yards or more. They ranged from 3rd-and-15 to 3rd-and-25.

Of those 37 plays, three were converted for first downs. That’s 8 percent.

The call on those plays was 29 passing/8 runs. The running plays averaged 7.1 yards per play. The passing plays (attempts plus sacks) averaged 4.4 yards per play.

No, the smart move is you punt the ball away and try to influence field position.

Why would anyone have expected the game plan to be anything but conservative? A young quarterback’s first start, on the road, in a loud hostile stadium, against a good defense and a team with an explosive offense, that’s the recipe for an offensive plan that leans towards the conservative.

Think of it this way: you send a child out on Halloween night for his first experience in trick or treating. He comes home with a bag full of candy. The child is allowed to sit down and eat as much candy as he can stuff in his mouth. Child gets very sick.

The Chiefs coaches were not going to give Croyle the whole bag of goodies. They are going to parcel them out and the young man gets his feet under him and his wits about him.

Understand that the idea is to give Croyle a chance to play. Put in a game plan that is aggressive and full of throwing the football means that Croyle will play for awhile. But with the poor pass protection provided by the current offensive line, that type of plan would eventually end with Croyle being carried off the field, and not in celebration.

Already, just one game into the Brodie Croyle Era and the fans, media and some of his offensive teammates are already grumbling.

Patience people. Patience.

**Rain Man** · 11-21-2007, 10:01 AM

Fire Bob Gretz.

Seriously, this is a clueless article. If they wanted to rein in the offense for most of the game as a strategy, whatever. I think it's stupid, but whatever.

But the issue is that they did it in the fourth quarter when it became apparent that one score was needed to win the game. We had one chance to win and the Colts had one chance to win, and we gave ours back.

trndobrd · 11-21-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Fire Bob Gretz.

Seriously, this is a clueless article. If they wanted to rein in the offense for most of the game as a strategy, whatever. I think it's stupid, but whatever.

But the issue is that they did it in the fourth quarter when it became apparent that one score was needed to win the game. We had one chance to win and the Colts had one chance to win, and we gave ours back.

You don't seem to understand, Herm accomplished everything he set out to do.

Herm's game plan was to keep the game close so that the Chiefs would have a chance to win in the fourth quarter. Play tough defense and don't turn the ball over. At the end of the fourth quarter, as Herm intended, the Chiefs had a chance to take the game.

He didn't say that he would TAKE that chance, only that he would HAVE a chance.

Chief Henry · 11-21-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Fire Bob Gretz.

Seriously, this is a clueless article. If they wanted to rein in the offense for most of the game as a strategy, whatever. I think it's stupid, but whatever.

But the issue is that they did it in the fourth quarter when it became apparent that one score was needed to win the game. We had one chance to win and the Colts had one chance to win, and we gave ours back.

I hardly read Blob Gretz anymore. He's to predictable. We knew he was going to write an article just like this. it doesn't surprise me at all.
Gretz is as predictable as Herms offense.

**Rain Man** · 11-21-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

You don't seem to understand, Herm accomplished everything he set out to do.

Herm's game plan was to keep the game close so that the Chiefs would have a chance to win in the fourth quarter. Play tough defense and don't turn the ball over. At the end of the fourth quarter, as Herm intended, the Chiefs had a chance to take the game.

He didn't say that he would TAKE that chance, only that he would HAVE a chance.

Wow. When you put it like that, it all becomes crystal clear.

Mr. Laz · 11-21-2007, 12:07 PM

i wonder how much the Chiefs pay Gretz these days?

bobbything · 11-21-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Patience people. Patience. Just wait another 14 years.

FYP.

Reerun_KC · 11-21-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

Okay - but the numbers (the 3rd and long stats) speak for themselves, don't they?

found the 1%....

jettio · 11-21-2007, 01:32 PM

Herm Edwards can be a winning coach for this team, but if the Chiefs do not win the AFC West this year, the sellout streak will end and there will be some home game blackouts.

Playing boring and frustating football and then playing crybaby in team propaganda and press conferences is a turn off for the ticket buying public.

If the Chiefs do not win 5 of the last six. Chiefs will have tough time selling out the Saints, Bucs, Bills, and Dolphins next year.

bobbything · 11-21-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

Herm Edwards can be a winning coach for this team, but if the Chiefs do not win the AFC West this year, the sellout streak will end and there will be some home game blackouts.

Playing boring and frustating football and then playing crybaby in team propaganda and press conferences and is a turn off for the ticket buying public.

If the Chiefs do not win 5 of the last six. Chiefs will have tough time selling out the Saints, Bucs, Bills, and Dolphins next year.

If they don't win this week I think they'll have a tough time selling out the next 5 games. People aren't taking this season very well.

**petegz28** · 11-21-2007, 01:43 PM

**** you Bob Gretz you ass sucking lard tard.

Hammock Parties · 11-21-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

If they don't win this week I think they'll have a tough time selling out the next 5 games. People aren't taking this season very well.

The Chiefs only have three home games left.

Mr. Laz · 11-21-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

If they don't win this week I think they'll have a tough time selling out the next 5 games. People aren't taking this season very well.

lack of direction and suspect coaching will do that

RedThat · 11-21-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i wonder how much the Chiefs pay Gretz these days?

kcxiv · 11-21-2007, 01:48 PM

Gretz doesnt ****ing get it either. the 3rd and 18 draw didnt really bother me at that point. it was the 2 plays before that. T hey were HORRIBLE calls. Especially late in the 4th quarter. Who in their right minds wants to let Payton Manning dictate a football game at the end?

This is what pissed me off. you have one of the all time great QB's and your want to put the game in his hand? WHY?

bobbything · 11-21-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

The Chiefs only have three home games left.

Touche. Thanks dad.

11-21-2007, 07:43 AM
C-Mac Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wally World Casino cash: $-1096301	GRETZ: The Conservative Approach GRETZ: The Conservative Approach Nov 21, 2007, 1:04:17 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ It was so predictable. In the moments after the Chiefs loss at Indianapolis, the drumbeat started. The Chiefs had been too conservative on offense. They had hamstrung Brodie Croyle in his first NFL start. They had not let the kid fling the ball around the yard. And that’s why the Chiefs lost. This mantra started in the press box and then some of the boys in the locker room joined in, supposedly giving this point of view credibility. Let me put it this way: one of the key reasons the Chiefs were a factor in the game was because they pulled in the offensive horns in for Croyle’s first start. It’s the same thing that happened early in the 2006 season, when the Chiefs went to Denver and Damon Huard was making his first start, after Trent Green was injured. Everyone wrote the Chiefs off that day, but they went in, played great defense and kept a tight reign on the offense in a loud and hostile stadium. The Chiefs went to overtime that day before losing. Against Indy, they went down to the final seconds before falling to a Colts field goal. There were two situations that seem to have caused the most bellyaching amongst the second guessers. The first came late in the first half. The Chiefs got the ball at their own 23-yard line with one minute, 18 seconds to play and all three of their timeouts. They ran two running plays and went to the locker room tied 3-3. Why not take a shot down the field? Why not go for it? Because on the last offensive play before that possession, Croyle had been smacked by Robert Mathis of the Colts, fumbled and Indianapolis recovered the ball. That eventually provided them the opportunity to kick the field goal that tied the game. Plus, the Colts had a pair of timeouts remaining and they were going to get the ball to start the second half. Throw three passes, run no time off the clock and give Peyton Manning another chance before the half? That’s crazy talk. Second situation came in the fourth quarter, with 7:41 to play and the Chiefs with a 3rd down-and-18 to go play. The Chiefs ran Kolby Smith and he gained two yards. They punted the ball away to the Colts. Why not go for it? Let me count the ways. First, on the second down play, that leaky pass protection had again allowed a sack of Croyle. Two, 3rd-and-18 gets converted about eight percent of the time. Don’t believe me? This past weekend in the NFL, there were 37 third down plays where the distance to a first down was 15 yards or more. They ranged from 3rd-and-15 to 3rd-and-25. Of those 37 plays, three were converted for first downs. That’s 8 percent. The call on those plays was 29 passing/8 runs. The running plays averaged 7.1 yards per play. The passing plays (attempts plus sacks) averaged 4.4 yards per play. No, the smart move is you punt the ball away and try to influence field position. Why would anyone have expected the game plan to be anything but conservative? A young quarterback’s first start, on the road, in a loud hostile stadium, against a good defense and a team with an explosive offense, that’s the recipe for an offensive plan that leans towards the conservative. Think of it this way: you send a child out on Halloween night for his first experience in trick or treating. He comes home with a bag full of candy. The child is allowed to sit down and eat as much candy as he can stuff in his mouth. Child gets very sick. The Chiefs coaches were not going to give Croyle the whole bag of goodies. They are going to parcel them out and the young man gets his feet under him and his wits about him. Understand that the idea is to give Croyle a chance to play. Put in a game plan that is aggressive and full of throwing the football means that Croyle will play for awhile. But with the poor pass protection provided by the current offensive line, that type of plan would eventually end with Croyle being carried off the field, and not in celebration. Already, just one game into the Brodie Croyle Era and the fans, media and some of his offensive teammates are already grumbling. Patience people. Patience.
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jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $4504930	Herm Edwards can be a winning coach for this team, but if the Chiefs do not win the AFC West this year, the sellout streak will end and there will be some home game blackouts. Playing boring and frustating football and then playing crybaby in team propaganda and press conferences is a turn off for the ticket buying public. If the Chiefs do not win 5 of the last six. Chiefs will have tough time selling out the Saints, Bucs, Bills, and Dolphins next year. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	Gretz doesnt ****ing get it either. the 3rd and 18 draw didnt really bother me at that point. it was the 2 plays before that. T hey were HORRIBLE calls. Especially late in the 4th quarter. Who in their right minds wants to let Payton Manning dictate a football game at the end? This is what pissed me off. you have one of the all time great QB's and your want to put the game in his hand? WHY?
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