#3 overall pick... a 20 year history - Page 2

**AustinChief** · 02-08-2009, 05:27 PM

08 Matt Ryan
07 Joe Thomas
06 Vince Young
05 Braylon Edwards
04 Larry Fitzgerald
03 Andre Johnson
02 Joey Harrington
01 Gerard Warren
00 Chris Samuels
99 Akili Smith
98 Andre Wadsworth
97 Shawn Springs
96 Simeon Rice
95 Steve McNair
94 Heath Shuler
93 Garrison Hearst
92 Sean Gilbert
91 Bruce Pickens
90 Cortez Kennedy
89 Barry Sanders

Draw your own conclusions. As for myself, if this list is a good indicator, I would go DT, DE, OT or WR... unfortunately we don't have a need that pressing at OT and the DE, DT WR prospects are iffy that high...

I am not in the anti-QB at all cost crowd.. I just really am not sold on THESE two QBs... esp. Stafford...

milkman · 02-08-2009, 07:15 PM

The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.

Pretty much, I think as the draft gets closer we'll see the serious fear start to come out.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-08-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

So, I guess you would be happy with any of those players at #3 then. Is that what you're saying?

Thanks for speaking for me.

I'm saying that four decent picks were made along with two epic busts at QB.

Clear enough for you, Doomy?

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.

How do you draw that conclusion from those picks?

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thanks for speaking for me.

I'm saying that four decent picks were made along with two epic busts at QB.

Clear enough for you, Doomy?

Yep, that's what I wanted to know.

I would imagine that out of those 6 picks, that only one or two of them would anyone consider a decent pick at #3. I don't know how anyone could consider Young, Harrington, Schuler or Smith anywhere near good enough for that slot. THey would all be busts.

And this may be the first time ever I have EVER heard Harrington referred to as an average NFL QB.

milkman · 02-08-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

How do you draw that conclusion from those picks?

It's being used to support the "I'm not sold on a QB" draft selection.

**AustinChief** · 02-08-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.

Nice, can you step off your blanket statements for a sec and read what I wrote?

I am scared of THESE two QBs, I wanted Flacco and Henne last year. I am definitely not against drafting a QB... but junior QBs don't have a great track record... And if you look at the list, QBs at the #3 spot don't either... McNair is the one good QB out of 6.

To be honest I wasn't a big Matt Ryan fan last year, and he will probably work out well.. If it comes to Stafford or Sanchez.. I would take the one with higher upside (Sanchez) but as I said, neither excites me nor have they all season.

So, because I don't like those two players.. I am afraid of drafting a QB?

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:24 PM

If you liked Chad Henne more than these 2 guys I'm going to honestly ask you what the hell you were looking at.

NickAthanFan · 02-08-2009, 07:24 PM

You can't be a great team without a great QB. That's why we should pick Graham Harrell in the 7th round or so.

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Nice, can you step off your blanket statements for a sec and read what I wrote?

I am scared of THESE two QBs, I wanted Flacco and Henne last year. I am definitely not against drafting a QB... but junior QBs don't have a great track record... And if you look at the list, QBs at the #3 spot don't either... McNair is the one good QB out of 6.

To be honest I wasn't a big Matt Ryan fan last year, and he will probably work out well.. If it comes to Stafford or Sanchez.. I would take the one with higher upside (Sanchez) but as I said, neither excites me nor have they all season.

So, because I don't like those two players.. I am afraid of drafting a QB?

Obviously.

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:27 PM

I think it's funny that Austin liked the 2 QB's I didn't like at all.

milkman · 02-08-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Nice, can you step off your blanket statements for a sec and read what I wrote?

I am scared of THESE two QBs, I wanted Flacco and Henne last year. I am definitely not against drafting a QB... but junior QBs don't have a great track record... And if you look at the list, QBs at the #3 spot don't either... McNair is the one good QB out of 6.

To be honest I wasn't a big Matt Ryan fan last year, and he will probably work out well.. If it comes to Stafford or Sanchez.. I would take the one with higher upside (Sanchez) but as I said, neither excites me nor have they all season.

So, because I don't like those two players.. I am afraid of drafting a QB?

You are right, it is a blanket statement.

However, if you look at that, one could conclude that if you don't simply throw a QB into the fire immediately, and give him some time to sit and learn, you could allow him to develop into an MVP calibre QB, since the only one of those QBs that really turned into anything was given time to develop.

But then Matt Ryan could debunk that theory.

The fact is, it really is impossible to draw any conclusions from this.

What has happened with QBs selected in the past has no bearing on how these guys will turn out.

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's funny that Austin liked the 2 QB's I didn't like at all.

I don't think it's that funny at all. There are a lot of people on this board. Of course there are going to be a lot of opinions.

**AustinChief** · 02-08-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It's being used to support the "I'm not sold on a QB" draft selection.

Notice my statement THESE QBs, which you conveniently read as A QB.

And to respond to Mecca, I wanted Flacco a late 1st or Henne with a 2nd... I honestly feel that Sanchez is gonna either be a great pick or a bust at #3... I am leaning toward bust... but if we pick him I hope I am wrong. Stafford I can't stand... just never liked him.

but either way, they bear the curse of the junior QB... hard to overcome.

Again, if Sanchez stayed in school and had another great year and we sucked enough to be able to draft him I would have been elated... as it is, not so much.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-08-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Yep, that's what I wanted to know.

I would imagine that out of those 6 picks, that only one or two of them would anyone consider a decent pick at #3. I don't know how anyone could consider Young, Harrington, Schuler or Smith anywhere near good enough for that slot. THey would all be busts.

And this may be the first time ever I have EVER heard Harrington referred to as an average NFL QB.

Harrington is not a bust. He played for a shitty team for years. Actually, the worst team in the entire NFL. He's received poor coaching and bounced around but he's still playing and he's still under 30. There's certainly room for him to improve and find his way as an NFL QB. You could have put Rivers, Manning or Rothlisberger on that Lions teams and they would still suck.

I thought Vince Young was taken too high but the owner was enamored with his size, mobility and arm. Before his mental breakdown, he proved me wrong. I think it's way to early to label him a bust, unless he retires from football with mental issues.

Smith sucked. Major reach. Schuler was a joke but the Redskins at least made up with that selection by choosing Gus Ferrote in the 7th.

These comparisons have absolutely ZERO impact on the success or failure of Sanchez or Stafford so basically, this was an exercise in futility.

02-08-2009, 05:27 PM
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $-754998	#3 overall pick... a 20 year history 08 Matt Ryan 07 Joe Thomas 06 Vince Young 05 Braylon Edwards 04 Larry Fitzgerald 03 Andre Johnson 02 Joey Harrington 01 Gerard Warren 00 Chris Samuels 99 Akili Smith 98 Andre Wadsworth 97 Shawn Springs 96 Simeon Rice 95 Steve McNair 94 Heath Shuler 93 Garrison Hearst 92 Sean Gilbert 91 Bruce Pickens 90 Cortez Kennedy 89 Barry Sanders Draw your own conclusions. As for myself, if this list is a good indicator, I would go DT, DE, OT or WR... unfortunately we don't have a need that pressing at OT and the DE, DT WR prospects are iffy that high... I am not in the anti-QB at all cost crowd.. I just really am not sold on THESE two QBs... esp. Stafford...
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