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Old 04-26-2010, 03:11 PM   #1
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:00 PM   #2
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:48 PM   #3
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I'm glad you're honest about it. You know you hated that guy much more furiously than anyone here is on Pioli.

We're all entitled to our opinions. I don't hate Pioli. I just think he's ****ing up, and wasting time. If it ultimately leads to a Super Bowl I'll jump in line first to fellate him.
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Old 04-26-2010, 03:17 PM   #4
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Old 04-26-2010, 03:19 PM   #5
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Old 04-26-2010, 03:25 PM   #6
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3 safeties?
Maybe he wants to run a new type of defense with 3 safety's? Let's call is the quarter
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:38 PM   #7
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3 safeties?
They can always be converted to corners. /Carl
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:46 AM   #8
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Eh, with those three safeties, I would run a 3-4/nickel hybrid. All three safeties excel in run support, two of them can actually cover, and with those three, DJ, and Hali, you would never know where the blitz was coming from. I want a defense that attacks, attacks, attacks dictating the game to the offense, and I think those three safeties in particular allow you to get really creative with your defense. It is now a pass happy league and I think defenses need to evolve and recognize that fact.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:38 PM   #9
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Everyone knows the last 2 years Pioli has wanted to trade down. Evidently he's too self conscious about getting ripped, but his former BF buddies Belichik and McDouche show how it's easily done. They're not taking full trade value in a lot of their trades either. To illustrate what was easily possible I'm gonna go real conservative and demonstrate a true fire sale. I'm gonna trade from #5 all the way down to #24 the spot Denver traded down to - and instead of realistic trade value I'm only gonna give him the same picks Denver acquired moving down from where they did at 13, giving us the #24 pick, 2 third rounders, and a 4th

1- Dez White- WR
2- Nate Allen- FS
2- Jason Worilds- OLB
3- Asomaoah- G
3- D. Butler- ILB
3- Moeaki- TE
4- Bruce Campbell T
4- Owusu-Ansah CB
5- Cam Thomas DT
5- Anthony Dixon RB


What's really funny is the total cost of that draft in contract dollars would be about half as much as either this year or last years draft.
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:05 PM   #10
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Everyone knows the last 2 years Pioli has wanted to trade down. Evidently he's too self conscious about getting ripped, but his former BF buddies Belichik and McDouche show how it's easily done. They're not taking full trade value in a lot of their trades either. To illustrate what was easily possible I'm gonna go real conservative and demonstrate a true fire sale. I'm gonna trade from #5 all the way down to #24 the spot Denver traded down to - and instead of realistic trade value I'm only gonna give him the same picks Denver acquired moving down from where they did at 13, giving us the #24 pick, 2 third rounders, and a 4th

1- Dez White- WR
2- Nate Allen- FS
2- Jason Worilds- OLB
3- Asomaoah- G
3- D. Butler- ILB
3- Moeaki- TE
4- Bruce Campbell T
4- Owusu-Ansah CB
5- Cam Thomas DT
5- Anthony Dixon RB


What's really funny is the total cost of that draft in contract dollars would be about half as much as either this year or last years draft.
Trading down from teh top 5 picks is difficult and only happens when there is a franchise QB or running back. The Patriots are always picking mid first round and back making it MUCH easier to trade down, than trading a top 5 pick. Trading back just to trade back does not make sense, it has to come with value. If the Chiefs were willing to trade the number 5 pick this year straight across for a number 2 they could have had plenty of trade offers. It doesn't work that way.
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:05 PM   #13
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Smarter than Pioli? Sure, if were talking aviation...

But when it comes to the draft and running and NFL franchise, seeing how is doing it and were just message board GM's... I would say he trumps us every single time....

Personnel departments across the NFL are brimming with people who have little talent for it. Sometimes these people make it to high positions, largely on account of luck and being associated with the right people. Acquring a title in the personnel department for an NFL franchise doesn't require experience playing football and doesn't require experience coaching football. All it requires is luck meeting/knowing the right people and being in the right place. Couple that with the fact that player procurement is an inexact science and there is plenty of room for failure. The great thing about it is selections can be accurately judged rightly or wrongly one way or the other over time. Four or 5 years from now we can look back on this thread and it'll leave no doubt as to how much better or worse Pioli is than some random internet guy. Do that every year for 4 or 5 years straight and it will determine Piolis competence one way or the other.
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Wait.

Can we proceed as though the whole ill-fated Matt Cassel trade never occured?

Because as someone that is pretty sure I'm smarter than Scott Pioli and his band of merry yes men, Matt ****ing Cassel would've never stolen a dime of my money or even been allowed to change the tires on the team bus.
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Choosing only from the players available at the time of the pick, without hindsight of where players would exactly go, and with no trades:

1.) Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
2a.) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
2b.) Terrance Cody, DT, Alabama
3.) Donald Butler, ILB, Washington
4.) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB (and KR), Indiana (PA)
5a.) Matt Tennant, C, Boston College
5b.) Tony Washington, OT, Abielene Christian (I know he ended up undrafted. But I would have taken him here, TBH)
5c.) Arthur Moats, OLB, James Madison

More OL and small school than I anticipated. Still, though, I got 5 players who would start on day 1, 2 others that would earn a starting job quickly (Clausen, Owusu-Ansah), and a situational pass-rusher. If I could have traded up at certain points for Eric Norwood or a WR like Andre Roberts than I would have.
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