Packers Blueprint - Wide Receivers - Page 2

kccrow · 01-26-2015, 12:04 AM

I was tooling around on the interwebs... so I decided to take a look at the Packers' receiving corps because of their obvious success running the West Coast offense.

What did I find? I'll start with what you might not expect. For starters, not a single receiver was drafted in the first round of the draft, with the highest selection being #36. Secondly, lack of top-end speed, which inexplicably seems to be high on everyone's wish list. In fact, only 2 of their receivers run faster than 4.5, one at 4.46 and one at 4.42. Only one of those 2 received a significant number of snaps, the one that ran 4.46. A third thing is that there is a wide range of verticals, but only half boast a vertical leap over 34 inches, with only 1 of them seeing significant snaps.

What we should expect is another story, and perhaps should shed some light on what is important in running an effective WCO. All of the receivers had a 3-cone of 7.12 seconds or less. Most are in the 6'1" to 6'3" range. In fact, only 1 is under 6'1" at 5'10" although that player was second on the team in receptions. What may be most important is that all showed in college they were comfortable catching balls in traffic and continue to do so in the pros except for 1, who didn't catch balls in college. Another is that no receiver is under 190 pounds, which helps with durability.

Now, I know this isn't the end-all-be-all to the receiver position, but the story is telling. So if a WCO has proven to be successful with players you expect to see in a WCO, why doesn't Reid tend to get these types? I have relayed in the past that Reid has never been a guy to carry too many big receivers, instead relying mostly on receivers with some speed to them that are 6'0" to 6'1". Reid has taken his share of receivers that run close to 4.40 or even lower. Why no love for the quick, but not so fast, bigger receivers that catch the ball in traffic extremely well? I don't get it with Reid, he's difficult to put a finger on.

The receiver that seems to fit Reid to a T is Ohio State's Devin Smith. 6'0" with speed to burn (he'll likely run in the 4.3s). While we are all salivating over guys like Kevin White and DeVante Parker, Reid goes against the grain.

**The Franchise** · 01-26-2015, 11:32 AM

Coates is immature because he's black. /Sandy Cheeks

OldSchool · 01-26-2015, 11:44 AM

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Auburn redshirt junior WR Sammie Coates has "[Terrell Owens'] body, [Odell Beckham Jr.'s] burst and [Darrius Heyward-Bey's] hands," writes NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah.
We couldn't agree more. Coates has the build of a No. 1 WR (6-foot-2, 201 pounds) and the speed of a No. 1 WR (4.36 40-yard dash), but he has failed to live up to scouts' expectations. Perhaps the biggest reason for that is Coates' consistent inability to produce as a No. 1 receiver at Auburn. The Tigers' offense completely stagnated this year when WR Duke Williams was hurt or suspended and Coates was forced into the featured-receiver role. When Coates could focus on running fly routes as the No. 2 receiver, he thrived. "Coates drops a ton of balls but just when you want to write him off, he makes a freaky play," Jeremiah wrote. Coates will declare for the draft and has accepted an invitation to the Senior Bowl. Because of his measurables, Coates is a decent bet to get over-drafted. "Coates [will] make a circus catch in traffic and then completely fail to track the ball a few plays later," Jeremiah wrote. Jan 6 - 1:42 PM

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NFL.com's Lance Zierlein thinks Auburn redshirt junior WR Sammie Coates has "some of the worst hands" he's seen on tape.
"I'm writing up Auburn WR Sammy Coates right now. Just watched every target over 2013 and 2014. Some of the worst hands I've seen on tape," Zierlein tweeted. The 6-foot-2, 201-pound wideout needs to improve his concentration through the process of catching the football, in order to be more reliable threat at the next level. The Auburn prospect has the physical tools that NFL teams will fall in love with, which could lead to him being over-drafted come April. Jan 6 - 2:33 PM

Don't take my word for it.

RunKC · 01-26-2015, 11:45 AM

Not just his hands. His routes are bad. He just tries to outrun defenders. That wot work in the nfl. Everyone is fast.

OldSchool · 01-26-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Not just his hands. His routes are bad. He just tries to outrun defenders. That wot work in the nfl. Everyone is fast.

Agreed, for all of that speed and explosiveness that he has, it seems like many DBs have an easy time sticking to him in his routes which is part of the reason why he wasn't as productive at Auburn as a #1 WR should have been.

**RealSNR** · 01-26-2015, 01:02 PM

DROPZ

**RealSNR** · 01-26-2015, 01:03 PM

**RealSNR** · 01-26-2015, 01:04 PM

Saccopoo · 01-26-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

ChiefsCountry · 01-26-2015, 01:21 PM

The 49er douches and RunKC don't like Coates so that makes him a solid prospect.

RunKC · 01-26-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The 49er douches and RunKC don't like Coates so that makes him a solid prospect.

Always funny to see posters like this who don't use the ignore function.

jonzie04 · 01-26-2015, 01:55 PM

I wouldn't mind coates in the 3rd or 4th round. He obviously has elite traits, but he's a boom bust, and a major project.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 01-26-2015, 08:56 PM

So according to what the packers draft, Bowe would be a 1500 yard receiver for them.

OldSchool · 01-27-2015, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

So according to what the packers draft, Bowe would be a 1500 yard receiver for them.

Packers WRs tend to be phenomenal route runners and are great hands catchers. Bowe, not so much.

Direckshun · 01-27-2015, 11:13 AM

I think Sammie Coates is as Dorsey-esque a WR as there is in this draft.

kccrow · 01-27-2015, 02:18 PM

Sammie Coates is an overrated turd.

01-26-2015, 12:04 AM
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1320000	Packers Blueprint - Wide Receivers I was tooling around on the interwebs... so I decided to take a look at the Packers' receiving corps because of their obvious success running the West Coast offense. What did I find? I'll start with what you might not expect. For starters, not a single receiver was drafted in the first round of the draft, with the highest selection being #36. Secondly, lack of top-end speed, which inexplicably seems to be high on everyone's wish list. In fact, only 2 of their receivers run faster than 4.5, one at 4.46 and one at 4.42. Only one of those 2 received a significant number of snaps, the one that ran 4.46. A third thing is that there is a wide range of verticals, but only half boast a vertical leap over 34 inches, with only 1 of them seeing significant snaps. What we should expect is another story, and perhaps should shed some light on what is important in running an effective WCO. All of the receivers had a 3-cone of 7.12 seconds or less. Most are in the 6'1" to 6'3" range. In fact, only 1 is under 6'1" at 5'10" although that player was second on the team in receptions. What may be most important is that all showed in college they were comfortable catching balls in traffic and continue to do so in the pros except for 1, who didn't catch balls in college. Another is that no receiver is under 190 pounds, which helps with durability. Now, I know this isn't the end-all-be-all to the receiver position, but the story is telling. So if a WCO has proven to be successful with players you expect to see in a WCO, why doesn't Reid tend to get these types? I have relayed in the past that Reid has never been a guy to carry too many big receivers, instead relying mostly on receivers with some speed to them that are 6'0" to 6'1". Reid has taken his share of receivers that run close to 4.40 or even lower. Why no love for the quick, but not so fast, bigger receivers that catch the ball in traffic extremely well? I don't get it with Reid, he's difficult to put a finger on. The receiver that seems to fit Reid to a T is Ohio State's Devin Smith. 6'0" with speed to burn (he'll likely run in the 4.3s). While we are all salivating over guys like Kevin White and DeVante Parker, Reid goes against the grain.
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01-26-2015, 11:32 AM	#16
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01-26-2015, 11:45 AM	#18
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1680389	Not just his hands. His routes are bad. He just tries to outrun defenders. That wot work in the nfl. Everyone is fast. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1631248	The 49er douches and RunKC don't like Coates so that makes him a solid prospect.
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01-26-2015, 01:55 PM	#26
jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5716817	I wouldn't mind coates in the 3rd or 4th round. He obviously has elite traits, but he's a boom bust, and a major project.
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01-26-2015, 08:56 PM	#27
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1559523	So according to what the packers draft, Bowe would be a 1500 yard receiver for them.
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01-27-2015, 11:13 AM	#29
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I think Sammie Coates is as Dorsey-esque a WR as there is in this draft.
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01-27-2015, 02:18 PM	#30
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1320000	Sammie Coates is an overrated turd.
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