Pioli/Cassel vs Reid/Smith

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Let's see..

Pioli/Cassel=1 Playoff appearance, 0 wins
Reid/Smith=2 Playoff appearances, 1 win

Pioli/Casse/=1 winning season
Reid/smith=3 and soon to be 4 winning seasons

I don't think there is much comparison

TE sweep on the 4 yard line
resulted in a 5 yard loss
your argument is invalid
**** OC Andy

[rico]

Clark Hunt = common denominator. I feel like that guy is more involved in these sorts of things than commonly believed.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by rico

Clark Hunt = common denominator. I feel like that guy is more involved in these sorts of things than commonly believed.

Reid never would have been hired had he said his plan required drafting and developing a QB.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Is OP an idiot?

(rhetorical question )

[wazu]

I see this as more Marty/Deberg, but with worse play-calling and clock management. Playoff results are tracking to be similar.

[CoMoChief]

I see the comparison..but Cassel was one of the worst qbs ever to play in a kc uniform.

Smith isn't that. But he's a mediocre at best qb, and he's reached his ceiling.

He has what..9td 4int ? Something like that.... in 10 games. Those are awful numbers. He's only cracked the 20td mark 2x in his 11yr career. Remember this is a qb that couldn't get his wr a td for over a yr. You almost have to try to accomplish that on purpose..especially in today's game.

While his int rate is low, the type of football smith plays gives him little to no margin of error. So if he does **** up, it's game changing and the Chiefs aren't the type of team that's going to come back if they're down a couple scores.

It's the same shit. Chiefs have all the talent in the world to win a sb..except they lack the sports most important position.

[WhiteWhale]

I dislike Smith, but Cassel was just a fraud of a QB. An absolute fraud.

Smith's body of work over the years, both positives and negatives, speak for themselves.

Cassel went to Dallas and fans were pissed they dumped Brandon Weeden. That's how bad Cassel is.

I understand the dynamic is what is being compared, but that's also ridiculous. KC is having some level of success (though we all know this team lacks the ceiling to be real SB threat) with winning season, playoff appearances, and playoff wins. Cassel was dragging KC to the doldrums. He was a complete liability going out and routinely losing games with his play.

[rabblerouser]

Same guys. This is 2010, again.


Close games over shit teams, one and done in the playoffs. Rinse, repeat.

[Zebedee DuBois]

Maybe the question should be:
How many sub 0.500 seasons are we willing to endure with a rookie/developing QB?

Follow up question:
Really? We won't be throwing fits in season 2?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois

Maybe the question should be:
How many sub 0.500 seasons are we willing to endure with a rookie/developing QB?

Follow up question:
Really? We won't be throwing fits in season 2?

Why are some of us okay with shitty play from a vet in season 11...but not okay with a youngster in season 2?

Yesterday's loss is far more acceptable from a QB with less than 20 starts under his belt. Not Alex "Game Manager" Smith.

[In58men]

Just remember he has 11 seasons under his belt and he's still a below average QB. He's a low tier 3 QB.

[RunKC]

Saying Andy won't make a change right now isn't the same as Pioli and Cassel. We won a playoff game last year, so the expectation was that we do more this season.

We've already heard a rumor that Alex will have to have a strong 2nd half to remain here. It's also no surprise that we put an option for Foles next year.

If Alex keeps playing this way I think Foles will be the QB next season.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Saying Andy won't make a change right now isn't the same as Pioli and Cassel. We won a playoff game last year, so the expectation was that we do more this season.

We've already heard a rumor that Alex will have to have a strong 2nd half to remain here. It's also no surprise that we put an option for Foles next year.

If Alex keeps playing this way I think Foles will be the QB next season.

Alex will have to take Superman pills and revert to 2011-2014 form in order to even be good enough...and even that is just barely. No reason to hope...the future is now in the NFL. Foles isn't the answer. Gonna be...interesting.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Saying Andy won't make a change right now isn't the same as Pioli and Cassel. We won a playoff game last year, so the expectation was that we do more this season.

We've already heard a rumor that Alex will have to have a strong 2nd half to remain here. It's also no surprise that we put an option for Foles next year.

If Alex keeps playing this way I think Foles will be the QB next season.

I've said the same thing before. People forget that Andy drafted him and tried to trade for him but Chip said no deal. I think Dorsey has already made up his mind. The only way Alex stays is if he plays a ton better and we win the division or make the AFC Champ game.

The option on Foles was put there to give him a shot for a year if Smith failed and at the same time it allows his HC to have his draft pick as a QB. It's a win win in their eyes.

[gold_and_red]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

I've said the same thing before. People forget that Andy drafted him and tried to trade for him but Chip said no deal. I think Dorsey has already made up his mind. The only way Alex stays is if he plays a ton better and we win the division or make the AFC Champ game.

The option on Foles was put there to give him a shot for a year if Smith failed and at the same time it allows his HC to have his draft pick as a QB. It's a win win in their eyes.

Anyone remember the circumstances when Reid sent McNabb to a division rival? If it was due to lack of production I believe Reid will move on from Smith if we miss the AFCCG this season.
Foles has not looked good in limited action, maybe he will with a full offseason as the likely starter.