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Old 11-20-2017, 10:21 AM   #1
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Same here.

People think the gimmick plays are just Andy being crazy.

Its because he has to hide Alex's flaws.

Watch McNabb/Vick/ Garcia hell even Kolb and you'll see an entirely different offense
When you have your TE attempt to make a throw you know your STARTING QUARTERBACK can't....something is definitely wrong.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:22 AM   #2
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When you have your TE attempt to make a throw you know your STARTING QUARTERBACK can't....something is definitely wrong.
And your TE has a stronger arm.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:31 AM   #3
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And your TE has a stronger arm.
LOL right...just insanity.

That was exactly the first thought that went through my head when they ran that play.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:58 AM   #4
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Same here.

People think the gimmick plays are just Andy being crazy.

Its because he has to hide Alex's flaws.

Watch McNabb/Vick/ Garcia hell even Kolb and you'll see an entirely different offense
It's what I said all day after the game.

Wentz and Goff are doing more drop-back-and-read-the-defense than Alex. Even when KC was thriving early they only called 10 or 15 drop back passes per game. Less than half of his pass attempts required him to read the defense.

Drop back
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Scramble/sack

That's Alex's cover 2 breaker. Panic and run. Teams are demanding Alex beat them with drop back quarterbacking, and he can't even whip the Giants or Cowboys bad defenses.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:25 PM   #5
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Same here.

People think the gimmick plays are just Andy being crazy.

Its because he has to hide Alex's flaws.

Watch McNabb/Vick/ Garcia hell even Kolb and you'll see an entirely different offense
Well to some degree yes but even to a bigger degree is our horrific o-line rush and pass blocking. Pass blocking wasn't bad yesterday but we still can't open up any holes. When you can't run the ball it makes it that much easier to defense us and especially with a QB who has PTSD in pocket who gets happy feet if the primary is covered you can totally put the onus on AS if your the defense to beat you and your seeing the result.

Shut KH down and challenge AS to beat you. We are seeing more gimmick plays because we can't run the ball. You don't need gimmick plays hardly at all IF you are shoving the ball down the defense's throat in the run game.

You are correct about a totally different offense with McNabb/Vick/Garcia/Kolb BUT the reason is because they had very good offensive lines and could run the ball.

A shell shocked QB with a below average o-line is a recipe for losing. When you can't run the ball you are soooooo limited as an offense and become predictable.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:33 AM   #6
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Well to some degree yes but even to a bigger degree is our horrific o-line rush and pass blocking. Pass blocking wasn't bad yesterday but we still can't open up any holes. When you can't run the ball it makes it that much easier to defense us and especially with a QB who has PTSD in pocket who gets happy feet if the primary is covered you can totally put the onus on AS if your the defense to beat you and your seeing the result.

Shut KH down and challenge AS to beat you. We are seeing more gimmick plays because we can't run the ball. You don't need gimmick plays hardly at all IF you are shoving the ball down the defense's throat in the run game.

You are correct about a totally different offense with McNabb/Vick/Garcia/Kolb BUT the reason is because they had very good offensive lines and could run the ball.

A shell shocked QB with a below average o-line is a recipe for losing. When you can't run the ball you are soooooo limited as an offense and become predictable.
Good OLs early in McNabbs career. Below average after that. Eagles had lots if OL problems. Those issues go away when you have a qb who is either lightning quick getting rid of the ball or who know how to create. Mahomes is definitely in that latter category. Maybe to a fault. I suspect that with this same OL, people will be shocked at how much better they look with a different qb. I personally hope mahomes matures to the point where he can both read the defense and create which is why I'm good with him learning from the bench early on.
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:08 AM   #7
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I just watched the Cowboys and Giants game again (I'm off all week).

The offense is sputtering bc of Alex. Andy can't cover his flaws up any longer. We started hot because teams didn't have film on us and didn't know how to stop the new shovel pass and RPO option plays. Now everyone has tape of it bc it's been copied, as well as the Steelers setting the blueprint.

Andy must be exhausted trying to come up with gimmick plays and wrinkles bc his QB can't succeed with basic play calls.
And he has realized this only after 4 years? I would have brought in some real QB competition through FA or the draft immediately following the 2014 season where we choked our way out of the playoffs without a single WR TD. Instead the moronic trifecta of Hunt, Dorsey and Reid reward Alex with an extension because Chiefs!
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Old 11-20-2017, 12:51 PM   #8
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And he has realized this only after 4 years? I would have brought in some real QB competition through FA or the draft immediately following the 2014 season where we choked our way out of the playoffs without a single WR TD. Instead the moronic trifecta of Hunt, Dorsey and Reid reward Alex with an extension because Chiefs!
2014 Alex wins that game vs NYG

What we are seeing is a man in regression
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Old 11-20-2017, 12:54 PM   #9
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2014 Alex wins that game vs NYG

What we are seeing is a man in regression
Nonsense.

Alex played above himself for a few week early this season due to Nagy's scheming.

Scheming specifically designed to avoid asking him to be a QB and drop back and read defenses.

He hasn't regressed. This is the Alex we've seen for 5 years. The guy from the early part of the season was clearly an anomaly. Regression to the mean is what we're seeing now, and it's something most of us expected to happen.

Yeah, we HOPED he could ride it out a full season, but that was naive. Seeing Alex struggle against bad defenses is NOT a new thing.
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Old 11-20-2017, 12:58 PM   #10
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Nonsense.

Alex played above himself for a few week early this season due to Nagy's scheming.

Scheming specifically designed to avoid asking him to be a QB and drop back and read defenses.

He hasn't regressed. This is the Alex we've seen for 5 years. The guy from the early part of the season was clearly an anomaly. Regression to the mean is what we're seeing now, and it's something most of us expected to happen.

Yeah, we HOPED he could ride it out a full season, but that was naive. Seeing Alex struggle against bad defenses is NOT a new thing.
Sunday was the worst I've ever seen him play
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Nonsense.

Alex played above himself for a few week early this season due to Nagy's scheming.

Scheming specifically designed to avoid asking him to be a QB and drop back and read defenses.

He hasn't regressed. This is the Alex we've seen for 5 years. The guy from the early part of the season was clearly an anomaly. Regression to the mean is what we're seeing now, and it's something most of us expected to happen.

Yeah, we HOPED he could ride it out a full season, but that was naive. Seeing Alex struggle against bad defenses is NOT a new thing.
I don't think he's regressed so much as teams have adjusted. Alex has said this, hell even Kelce has said this.

The team can't beat Cover-2. And by team, the QB.

Alex was taking shots when he had 1v1 chances downfield...aka man coverage.

Teams woke up after the Steelers game and put a stop to that shit.
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Just cant see Reid yanking Smith yet, it will take repeated performances like yesterday... and maybe not even then
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Just cant see Reid yanking Smith yet, it will take repeated performances like yesterday... and maybe not even then
He won't. I'm sure Smith will come back with his usual 225 yards with 1 TD and no INTs next week against Buffalo and everything will be alright in Reid's mind.
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Still don't see Reid bailing on Smith bar an injury...I mean if yesterday won't do it, nothing will.
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Still don't see Reid bailing on Smith bar an injury...I mean if yesterday won't do it, nothing will.
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