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Old 10-25-2020, 08:02 PM   #1
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Bill falls to 2-4 without Brady.

Brady goes to 5-2 with Tampa, turning them into a title contender immediately.

Tampa had the #1 SRS (points above avg team) in the NFL of +13.1. And that was before they trashed the Fighting Chuckies today.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:03 PM   #2
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Well duh....

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Duh, this is the Ravens now.

They won it all not long after Bill left.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:03 PM   #3
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Lets see when Belichick is above .500 without Brady. It'll be awhile.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:04 PM   #4
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I guess you can't blame Cam because that would be racist, huh?
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:06 PM   #5
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Its really hard to say with NE having players opt out and Brady going to a stacked TB team. I will say that they have both greatly benefitted from each other.

I do believe the "Patriot Way" only works with a HOF QB, without Brady they can't afford to add bargain bin talent and expect to dominate. On that same note I would be more impressed if Brady had been successful on a far less talented team.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:06 PM   #6
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Behind every great QB is a coach willing to take the credit.

The Bucs are loaded with talent. It's what happens when you consistently draft near the top of each round for years.

Brady has lots of experience and a ton of talent around him. He always had an above average defense. The Patriots are missing a big chunk of players and Cam isn't going to take them anywhere; he has the physical skills, just none of the mental ones.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:09 PM   #7
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He hasn’t drafted worth a shit for a while either
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:16 PM   #8
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They're actually both really good at their jobs.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:17 PM   #9
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They're actually both really good at their jobs.
2-4 is good?

Losing record without Brady is good?
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:42 PM   #10
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2-4 is good?

Losing record without Brady is good?
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:02 AM   #11
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2-4 is good?

Losing record without Brady is good?
This is such a ridiculous argument. You’re using a sample size of 6 games when Brady walked into a better situation and Belichick was left with a worse situation to pass judgment on two decades of evidence.

They’re both exceptional talents at what they do. Both possibly the greatest ever in their respective roles. They helped each other.

But if you really want to get into it, what do you think the Patriots record would be if Brady stayed and Belichick left? And what would Tampa’s record be if the Bucs had Belichick as their head coach and let’s say Jimmy G as their QB?

Pretty sure your conclusion would be different then.
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This is such a ridiculous argument. You’re using a sample size of 6 games when Brady walked into a better situation and Belichick was left with a worse situation to pass judgment on two decades of evidence.

They’re both exceptional talents at what they do. Both possibly the greatest ever in their respective roles. They helped each other.

But if you really want to get into it, what do you think the Patriots record would be if Brady stayed and Belichick left? And what would Tampa’s record be if the Bucs had Belichick as their head coach and let’s say Jimmy G as their QB?

Pretty sure your conclusion would be different then.
In 7 seasons without Tom Brady, Bill has won an average of 7 games. That includes his 11-5 season in Cleveland and the season with Cassel but does not include this current season since it isn't complete.

It would be one thing if he were an above-500 coach without Brady but he's not.

The NFL revolves around QB's. Is Bill a great coach? Absolutely. But without Brady, he's not a champion.

Just like Andy is not a champion without Mahomes.

QB's are the cake, coaches are the frosting.
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2-4 is good?

Losing record without Brady is good?
They had a lot of starters opt out because of Covid.

Brady would have still won SBs without Belichick. Probably not close to 6 though. Belichick probably doesn't win any without Tom Brady.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:13 PM   #14
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This is going to kill Hoodie’s legacy.
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This is going to kill Hoodie’s legacy.
If they play like this next year I would agree. He will get a pass this year because of COVID opt outs and no preseason.
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