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Old 04-05-2021, 10:55 AM   #1
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The graph seems to suggest that we have quality depth that allows our rookies time to develop rather needing them to be day 1 contributors.....
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Old 04-05-2021, 10:57 AM   #2
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That 2018 draft was absolutely killer and not in a good way
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:14 AM   #3
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We need higher draft picks than drafting last or almost last in every round every year since Mahomes. STOP WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:21 AM   #4
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That 2018 draft was absolutely killer and not in a good way
It was a weak draft overall after the first round.
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Old 04-05-2021, 11:34 AM   #5
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It was a weak draft overall after the first round.
The draft might not have been deep, but we swung and missed on nearly everyone of them. Especially trading up and taking Breeland Speaks; that was brutal.
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:38 PM   #6
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The draft might not have been deep, but we swung and missed on nearly everyone of them. Especially trading up and taking Breeland Speaks; that was brutal.
I never understood the Speaks pick. I kinda get picking Kpass because of his enormous physical potential. Speaks, though, always looked slow and pudgy. He didn't look the part and he certainly didn't play the part.

Veach traded up three times in the 2018 draft and each was pretty bad.

We traded picks 54 and 78 to the Bengals for picks 46 (Speaks) 100 (DOD). The Bengals turned pick 54 into Jessie Bates who is a real good young safety.

We traded picks 86 and 122 to Baltimore to get Derrick Nnadi at pick 75. Nnadi wasn't a bad pick - he's a good run-stuffing lineman. Baltimore, though, used the picks on Mark Andrews and Kenny Young. Andrews is a stud and Young is a decent LB who now plays for the Rams.

We traded picks 233 and 243 to the Pats for pick 198 to get Kahlil McKenzie. Pick 233 was traded to the Eagles and they used it to pick Jordan Mailata. I know the Eagles really like Mailata and I've heard he may be the Eagles LT of the future.

Hindsight is 20/20 and no team makes the right choices with each pick. His 2019 draft was better and 2020 has the potential to be an excellent class.
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Old 04-05-2021, 02:30 PM   #7
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I never understood the Speaks pick. I kinda get picking Kpass because of his enormous physical potential. Speaks, though, always looked slow and pudgy. He didn't look the part and he certainly didn't play the part.
We are still paying for Breeland Speaks. Chiefs still have $629,184 of dead money on their books for him.

Hopefully we learned from that draft.
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Old 04-05-2021, 03:10 PM   #8
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I never understood the Speaks pick. I kinda get picking Kpass because of his enormous physical potential. Speaks, though, always looked slow and pudgy. He didn't look the part and he certainly didn't play the part.

Veach traded up three times in the 2018 draft and each was pretty bad.

We traded picks 54 and 78 to the Bengals for picks 46 (Speaks) 100 (DOD). The Bengals turned pick 54 into Jessie Bates who is a real good young safety.

We traded picks 86 and 122 to Baltimore to get Derrick Nnadi at pick 75. Nnadi wasn't a bad pick - he's a good run-stuffing lineman. Baltimore, though, used the picks on Mark Andrews and Kenny Young. Andrews is a stud and Young is a decent LB who now plays for the Rams.

We traded picks 233 and 243 to the Pats for pick 198 to get Kahlil McKenzie. Pick 233 was traded to the Eagles and they used it to pick Jordan Mailata. I know the Eagles really like Mailata and I've heard he may be the Eagles LT of the future.

Hindsight is 20/20 and no team makes the right choices with each pick. His 2019 draft was better and 2020 has the potential to be an excellent class.
Speaks was the polar opposite of KPass.

Speaks was a versatile player that had plenty of production in college. He could play nearly every position on the line and actually did it reasonably well. He was a 2nd-team all SEC player, that's not something shitty players accomplish.

That being said, there was literally nothing about him athletically that jumped off the page. Like I said, the polar opposite of KPass.

At the NFL level, you have to have skill AND talent. Both of those guys only had one but not the other.
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Old 04-05-2021, 03:20 PM   #9
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The draft might not have been deep, but we swung and missed on nearly everyone of them. Especially trading up and taking Breeland Speaks; that was brutal.
This is completely false.

The 2018 draft wasn't a talent laden draft but the Chiefs drafted contributors in Nnadi, Watts, O'Daniel and Smith.

Nnadi was crucial to the 2019 Super Bowl run, Watts has been a very good Special Teamer, as has been O'Daniel. Tremon Smith made the PFWA All Rookie team that year, which isn't too bad for a 6th rounder from a small school.

Veach didn't hit on any superstars but he hit on guys that improved the roster and Special Teams, which is better than most got from the 2018 draft.
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That 2018 draft was absolutely killer and not in a good way
I think both of these are true.

Oddly enough, I thought our rookies gave us a huge boost in 2020 and played a ton of snaps.
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CEH has been Veach's only first-round pick. I would say that makes a big difference.
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Top Half - playoff teams
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Well, yeah, that axis is wins.
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