Chiefs Josh Allen is Philip Rivers 2.0 - Page 2

Vegas_Dave · 11-15-2022, 03:24 PM

So watching the Bills lose to the Vikings, it hit me watching Josh Allen on the bench pouting that he is a less mature version of Philip Rivers. This made me go on a stat finding mission to compare Allen to Rivers... and in in order to be fair to the media perception (& to prove what we all already know), compared Mahomes' stats as well.

We all KNOW that Mahomes is better than Allen (and if you don't, please look again). But the next time you have some Bills lover arguing, here are the facts...

Since both Mahomes & Allen have 4.5 years worth of stats to compare, I think its fair... and I grabbed the first 5 full years of Rivers' stats for the comparison. These are all averaged out based on the the actual number of games played (Excel spreadsheet available if anyone wants to double check). Here is what came to be:

# of Games Played for stat comparison:
Rivers: 80 games from 2006 - 2010
Allen: 70 games from 2018 - 2022
Mahomes: 71 from 2018-2022

Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average
Rivers: 19.34 / 30.31 / 63.79% / 243.91
Allen: 20.93 / 33.43 / 62.61% / 240.67
Mahomes: 24.97 / 37.69 / 66.26% / 304.83

TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average
Rivers: 1.69 TD / 5.57% / .71 INT / 2.35%
Allen: 1.76 TD / 5.26% / .81 INT / 2.39%
Mahomes: 2.48 TD / 6.58% / .61 INT / 1.61%

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 39.46% / 97.22 Rating / 65.84 QBR / 1.71 sacks / 10.65 sk yds
Allen: 36.54% / 89.84 Rating / 62.16 QBR / 1.94 sacks / 12.37 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.86% / 106.38 Rating / 75.38 QBR / 1.54 sacks / 9.89 sk yds

Josh Allen is a Good QB - but he is NOT Mahomes. He is Philip Rivers 2.0 - but a little less mature in my opinion. Rivers had 2 years of sitting. So Average Age for them is

Rivers: 27
Allen: 24
Mahomes: 25

So maybe we will see Allen mature a little more, but he is no Mahomes.

*all stats compiled from www.pro-football-reference.com

DRM08 · 11-15-2022, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Allen is going to have to go through a talent reduction eventually just like Mahomes did.

Could he survive with just Gabe Davis and McKenzie at WR? Possibly. Right now I’m not so sure

Might not always have a Top 5 defense either. That said, Allen is a million times better than Rivers. Stronger arm and extremely dangerous running the ball, plus he's very effective at scrambling to setup downfield throws. Rivers could not do either of those things with his legs.

Hammock Parties · 11-15-2022, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Nah...he's more like Steve Young if he gets him a SB eventually...

LOL

steve young was smart enough to be an absolute top-shelf lawyer

josh allen came out of wyoming

gtfo of here with that comparison

DRM08 · 11-15-2022, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

LOL

steve young was smart enough to be an absolute top-shelf lawyer

josh allen came out of wyoming

gtfo of here with that comparison

Allen scored 37 on the Wonderlic test, which is higher than the likes of Steve Young, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, & Patrick Mahomes. The dude isn't some braindead dipshit like Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell.

dallaschiefsfan · 11-15-2022, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

LOL

steve young was smart enough to be an absolute top-shelf lawyer

josh allen came out of wyoming

gtfo of here with that comparison

Skill set wise, he absolutely is more like Steve Young...who was better than Phyllis Rivers...and Allen is better than Rivers. Young also barely got him a SB...which will be Allen's fate, if he even gets one at all.

TwistedChief · 11-15-2022, 04:56 PM

In a league where Mahomes doesn’t exist, Allen would be the best QB.

Was that ever said of Rivers?

MahomesMagic · 11-15-2022, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Might not always have a Top 5 defense either. That said, Allen is a million times better than Rivers. Stronger arm and extremely dangerous running the ball, plus he's very effective at scrambling to setup downfield throws. Rivers could not do either of those things with his legs.

Rivers could also process the field a 1000 times better than Allen and was more accurate with deadly anticipation.

Allen has area code accuracy.

MahomesMagic · 11-15-2022, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

In a league where Mahomes doesn’t exist, Allen would be the best QB.

Was that ever said of Rivers?

Honestly, I think Burrow is better.

Megatron96 · 11-15-2022, 05:01 PM

Didn't Steve Young win multiple SBs? Why do I think he won 2 or 3?

MahomesMagic · 11-15-2022, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08

Allen scored 37 on the Wonderlic test, which is higher than the likes of Steve Young, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, & Patrick Mahomes. The dude isn't some braindead dipshit like Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell.

Don't trust Wonderlic anymore. I think agents prepare them now, it's not the same as it was.

**Lzen** · 11-15-2022, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

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KCUnited · 11-15-2022, 05:02 PM

Last couple of games I've been picking up a shellfish allergic version of Jameis Winston vibe.

Megatron96 · 11-15-2022, 05:04 PM

Yeah, Steve Young won 3 SBs. And a huge pile of other NFL awards/achievements, including twice named NFL MVP.

Josh Allen has a very long way to go to be on the same level as Steve Young.

KCJake · 11-15-2022, 05:05 PM

Josh Allen's running ability makes him better than Rivers if that's what we're doing here is comparing those two. Bring Mahomes into the mix and yea, he smokes both of them. It's really not even close. Mahomes could retire tomorrow and lets be honest you could argue he's hall of fame material.

Vegas_Dave · 11-15-2022, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland

Not that I disagree with the premise (although Allen is better than rivers, whether that be because of supporting cast and coaches or talent) but I would be curious and I think a better comparison would be if you removed Allen's first year. He's a much better player than he was his first year.

So if we remove the first year for each player, this actually hurts Mahomes some (5000+ yds, 50 TD season)... here are the numbers:

# of Games Played for stat comparison:
Rivers: 64 games from 2007 - 2010
Allen: 58 games from 2019 - 2022
Mahomes: 55 from 2019 - 2022

Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average
Rivers: 19.73 / 30.70 / 64.27% / 251.95
Allen: 22.34 / 34.83 / 64.16% / 254.71
Mahomes: 25.27 / 38.11 / 66.32% / 300.84

TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average
Rivers: 1.77 TD / 5.75% per Att / .75 INT / 2.44% per Att
Allen: 1.95 TD / 5.59% per Att / .76 INT / 2.18% per Att
Mahomes: 2.29 TD / 6.01% per Att / .56 INT / 1.48% per Att

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 98.53 Rating / 65.45 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 95.33 Rating / 65.25 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 104.53 Rating / 74.15 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

Even after removing Allen's WORST season and arguably Mahomes' best season, it still proves the premise that Allen = Rivers (version 2.0)

DRM08 · 11-15-2022, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Yeah, Steve Young won 3 SBs. And a huge pile of other NFL awards/achievements, including twice named NFL MVP.

Josh Allen has a very long way to go to be on the same level as Steve Young.

Steve was on the bench for 2 of his rings. Montana won them. Steve was the starting QB for 1 ring.

11-15-2022, 03:24 PM
Vegas_Dave Veteran Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Casino cash: $-1575280	Josh Allen is Philip Rivers 2.0 So watching the Bills lose to the Vikings, it hit me watching Josh Allen on the bench pouting that he is a less mature version of Philip Rivers. This made me go on a stat finding mission to compare Allen to Rivers... and in in order to be fair to the media perception (& to prove what we all already know), compared Mahomes' stats as well. We all KNOW that Mahomes is better than Allen (and if you don't, please look again). But the next time you have some Bills lover arguing, here are the facts... Since both Mahomes & Allen have 4.5 years worth of stats to compare, I think its fair... and I grabbed the first 5 full years of Rivers' stats for the comparison. These are all averaged out based on the the actual number of games played (Excel spreadsheet available if anyone wants to double check). Here is what came to be: # of Games Played for stat comparison: Rivers: 80 games from 2006 - 2010 Allen: 70 games from 2018 - 2022 Mahomes: 71 from 2018-2022 Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average Rivers: 19.34 / 30.31 / 63.79% / 243.91 Allen: 20.93 / 33.43 / 62.61% / 240.67 Mahomes: 24.97 / 37.69 / 66.26% / 304.83 TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average Rivers: 1.69 TD / 5.57% / .71 INT / 2.35% Allen: 1.76 TD / 5.26% / .81 INT / 2.39% Mahomes: 2.48 TD / 6.58% / .61 INT / 1.61% First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average Rivers: 39.46% / 97.22 Rating / 65.84 QBR / 1.71 sacks / 10.65 sk yds Allen: 36.54% / 89.84 Rating / 62.16 QBR / 1.94 sacks / 12.37 sk yds Mahomes: 42.86% / 106.38 Rating / 75.38 QBR / 1.54 sacks / 9.89 sk yds Josh Allen is a Good QB - but he is NOT Mahomes. He is Philip Rivers 2.0 - but a little less mature in my opinion. Rivers had 2 years of sitting. So Average Age for them is Rivers: 27 Allen: 24 Mahomes: 25 So maybe we will see Allen mature a little more, but he is no Mahomes. *all stats compiled from www.pro-football-reference.com
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11-15-2022, 04:56 PM	#20
TwistedChief Why so serious? Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $-1439585	In a league where Mahomes doesn’t exist, Allen would be the best QB. Was that ever said of Rivers?
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1949600	Didn't Steve Young win multiple SBs? Why do I think he won 2 or 3? __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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11-15-2022, 05:04 PM	#27
Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1949600	Yeah, Steve Young won 3 SBs. And a huge pile of other NFL awards/achievements, including twice named NFL MVP. Josh Allen has a very long way to go to be on the same level as Steve Young. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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11-15-2022, 05:05 PM	#28
KCJake Veteran Join Date: Aug 2003 Casino cash: $475775	Josh Allen's running ability makes him better than Rivers if that's what we're doing here is comparing those two. Bring Mahomes into the mix and yea, he smokes both of them. It's really not even close. Mahomes could retire tomorrow and lets be honest you could argue he's hall of fame material.
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