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[O.city]

"We have to draft and develop, now that we're paying Mahomes to stay good long term we've gotta do it this way"..

Team drafts and tries to develop WR's thru the draft


"These guys are jags what are we doing".

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

"We have to draft and develop, now that we're paying Mahomes to stay good long term we've gotta do it this way"..

Team drafts and tries to develop WR's thru the draft


"These guys are jags what are we doing".

The approach is fine. But we need to hit on these picks. Skyy needs to progress to being more than just a role WR. Same with OT. We’re walking into both positions needing bandaids at both spots and that is not ideal. And I don’t like using mahomes greatness to take away urgency or to accept anything less simply because he can make lemons out of lemonade. I think it’s fair to say we have not really have any proven hits on draft picks since tyreek/fisher/Schwartz. We don’t have to spend high picks or spend mega bucks, but we need quality players. Period.

I know I’m in the minority but I would much rather feel really good about these positions before we focus on making our defense from great to elite.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The approach is fine. But we need to hit on these picks. Skyy needs to progress to being more than just a role WR. Same with OT. We’re walking into both positions needing bandaids at both spots and that is not ideal. And I don’t like using mahomes greatness to take away urgency or to accept anything less simply because he can make lemons out of lemonade. We don’t have to spend high picks or spend mega bucks, but we need quality players. Period.

I know I’m in the minority but I would much rather feel really good about these positions before we focus on making our defense from great to elite.

Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

They had 2 good tackles who they lost in an offseason and drafted a 3rd rounder and traded a first for another LT. Got a couple cheap years out of those guys, plus RT play out of Wylie.

The 2020 draft with CEH is what hurts the skill positions a bit with that whiff.

They've also figured out that putting protection around Mahomes is probably more important than high end WRs it seems and figure Mahomes can develop the talent they've picked up in the early rounds at WR.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

You keep pushing this dumb ****ing narrative.

They've now invested 2 2nds and a 3rd over the last year. Maybe have some ****ing patience for those guys to develop?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

I like the contingencies they’ve put in place at WR. Justin Watson was a nice, reliable player and Richie James flashed a lot with lesser QB play last year.

Feels like if there’s an issue with development with Skyy or Rice, those 2 could pick up a bit of the slack.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I like the contingencies they’ve put in place at WR. Justin Watson was a nice, reliable player and Richie James flashed a lot with lesser QB play last year.

Feels like if there’s an issue with development with Skyy or Rice, those 2 could pick up a bit of the slack.

Richie James will end up putting up 800 yards and 6 TD's and the Chiefs will have an elite offense again and we'll have the same "Andy and Pat did it again, wow".

[Shoes]

JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's

Not exactly sure I agree with this take since they've taken some stabs with 2nd rounders to shore up their receivers. I think "value WR's" is something that the Chiefs will always take a look at because it's low hanging fruit. Richie James is a good example because he's coming from a bad passing offense- he's only earning ~1.25m with the Chiefs but James was responsible for 16.6% of the Giants receiving yards last year. If he was to have a similar year on the Chiefs, he'd be around a 850 yard receiver (not that I exactly expect that but 16% is nothing to sneeze at).

Good front offices are always going to try and find value when there is a salary cap. Value receivers/running backs are typically going to be easier to find than the other positions you mentioned. It's a two way street also, receivers are going to want to come to Kansas City to see if they can parlay a successful season with a good passing offense into a bigger contract (see Juju).

[TEX]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

Don't forget about the All World TE.

[O.city]

They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

Untrue. Since the mahomes pick 60% of the picks have gone to defense. Over the past 2 years it’s been about 65% which includes 3 first round picks and one that required a trade up.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Untrue. Since the mahomes pick 60% of the picks have gone to defense. Over the past 2 years it’s been about 65% which includes 3 first round picks and one that required a trade up.

Once you balance out the FA money spend on offense, yeah, it's pretty even. And last 3 years you have CEH in the first, OBJ traded a first for, Creed in the 2nd, Skyy in the 2nd, Toney was a first rounder, and Rice this year.

So you guys who want 'Blue chip prospects" need to just come out and say you don't like the picks, because they've spent high end capital on the offense.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

This has been explained to zilla over and over and he keeps pretending that isn't the case.

[O.city]

Mahomes first 3 years in the league he had the best RT in football