Dan Orlovsky and Ryan Clark Debate Josh Allen QB Play

[Tribal Warfare]

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DRM08

They were definitely protecting Josh from mistakes and protecting McDermott’s shitty defense from Mahomes by keeping him on the sidelines. It was a great strategy for a huge chunk of the game.

Yep.

Chiefs nearly had half the offensive snaps. Buffalo played the game perfectly, just wasn't enough.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by notorious

Yep.

Chiefs nearly had half the offensive snaps. Buffalo played the game perfectly, just wasn't enough.

Thank goodness the Hardman fumble didn’t kill the Chiefs. Or the failed defensive plays when Josh was trying to give the ball away at the end.

Buffalo hogged the ball for almost 2/3rds of the game clock, Hardman gave away 7 points, Buffalo had the very strong home crowd, and Buffalo still lost. Ouch Buffalo. Major ouch. Lol

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Thank goodness the Hardman fumble didn’t kill the Chiefs. Or the failed defensive plays when Josh was trying to give the ball away at the end.

Buffalo hogged the ball for almost 2/3rds of the game clock, Hardman gave away 7 points, Buffalo had the very strong home crowd, and Buffalo still lost. Ouch Buffalo. Major ouch. Lol

It won't ever be set up any better.

That was their shot. They blew it.

[petegz28]

[Gary Cooper]

I hate comparing head to head QB records.

Burrow is still 3-1 against Mahomes. Goff is 2-0 against Mahomes. Eli Manning is 2-0 against Brady in the playoffs. Brady is 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs. Peyton Manning is 3-2 against Brady in the playoffs (you don't hear this one much).

It's just lazy analysis. This isn't basketball. These players don't compete against each other at the same time. Plus, there's 20 other starters on the field.

I don't remember 25 or 30 years ago hearing about head to head QB records. I have no idea what Marino/Elway or Young/Favre were against each other. Now that everyone has a social media account and everyone is a sports analyst, we're forced to hear this talk.

Allen is not better at Mahomes but also Allen's defense was shit against the Chiefs in all three playoff games. They should have won the 13 second game if not for dumb coaching.

[tredadda]

The difference between Allen and Mahomes is that when the lights are brightest Mahomes shines. Allen gets excuses made for him. With the game on the line Allen didn’t produce. On TBD there isn’t one fan who felt like had they made the FG that Mahomes would not have marched down the field to win it.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

I hate comparing head to head QB records.

Burrow is still 3-1 against Mahomes. Goff is 2-0 against Mahomes. Eli Manning is 2-0 against Brady in the playoffs. Brady is 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs. Peyton Manning is 3-2 against Brady in the playoffs (you don't hear this one much).

It's just lazy analysis. This isn't basketball. These players don't compete against each other at the same time. Plus, there's 20 other starters on the field.

I don't remember 25 or 30 years ago hearing about head to head QB records. I have no idea what Marino/Elway or Young/Favre were against each other. Now that everyone has a social media account and everyone is a sports analyst, we're forced to hear this talk.

Allen is not better at Mahomes but also Allen's defense was shit against the Chiefs in all three playoff games. They should have won the 13 second game if not for dumb coaching.

You must have missed KCs defense in the :13 second game. You can compare because it’s not like Allen played on overachiever teams. He’s had plenty of talent but can’t make it past KC. Allen wows people, but is unable to close the deal when it matters which is why his team has been to one AFCCG.

[Hammock Parties]

Now that the drops shoe is on the other foot they don't wanna wear it.

Well the glass slipper FITS BITCH and Josh turned into a PUMPKIN.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

I hate comparing head to head QB records.

Burrow is still 3-1 against Mahomes. Goff is 2-0 against Mahomes. Eli Manning is 2-0 against Brady in the playoffs. Brady is 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs. Peyton Manning is 3-2 against Brady in the playoffs (you don't hear this one much).

It's just lazy analysis. This isn't basketball. These players don't compete against each other at the same time. Plus, there's 20 other starters on the field.

I don't remember 25 or 30 years ago hearing about head to head QB records. I have no idea what Marino/Elway or Young/Favre were against each other. Now that everyone has a social media account and everyone is a sports analyst, we're forced to hear this talk.

Allen is not better at Mahomes but also Allen's defense was shit against the Chiefs in all three playoff games. They should have won the 13 second game if not for dumb coaching.

I don't like the QB win stuff either. Mahomes had a losing record in college, but it damn sure was not because he was a loser. Tech had a terrible defense and shaky roster in general, with a very young head coach who was not qualified to be in the job.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by tredadda

You must have missed KCs defense in the :13 second game. You can compare because it’s not like Allen played on overachiever teams. He’s had plenty of talent but can’t make it past KC. Allen wows people, but is unable to close the deal when it matters which is why his team has been to one AFCCG.

Allen's biggest problem is the media wants to anoint him. He wasn't any worse than Brady against the Chiefs in two playoff games, especially the first one where Brady threw two (should have been three picks if not for Dee Ford). Burrow has thrown three INTs against us in the playoffs in recent years. The Chiefs lost several of those games despite opposing QB mistakes.

In the three playoff games against Buffalo, the Chiefs scored 38, 42, and 27. Allen wasn't better than Mahomes in those games, but he got no help defensively.

Now the media is all over a guy they've overrated themselves.

If the Chiefs play the Lions in the Super Bowl, we'll hear all about Jared Goff's 2-0 record against Mahomes.

[2bikemike]

Bottom line is that as good as Josh Allen, Justin Herbert or whoever you want to compare is, Pat just has that winners gene. It's usually displayed in the biggest moments.

This is not a knock on the other guys but we have seen this before with the likes of Brady, Manning etc. They just have a knack for winning when it counts the most.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I don't like the QB win stuff either. Mahomes had a losing record in college, but it damn sure was not because he was a loser. Tech had a terrible defense and shaky roster in general, with a very young head coach who was not qualified to be in the job.

Yep! It was the same with Geno Smith as he would put up 7 TD's and 500 yards and still lose because the WV defense was the worst in the country.

You would hear critics say "HE'S NOT A WINNER!"

[Dunerdr]

Orlschlavski siding with the lesser qb? Say less.

Josh played great, but just like RC said he had 3 chances to capture greatness and he did not. Mahomes played lights ****ing out. I can't really even think of a mistake he made.

[Pinchshot]

Bills had all the breaks. A fumble that wasn't followed by a would be pick is McDuffie doesn't touch it snead probably gets a pick 6.

Of course the biggest break was dumbass hardman. Would have been up by 10.

[DaFace]

I just don't get much out of all of these shows where they basically just yell the entire time.