Shannon Sharpe vs. Tony Gonzalez career stats.

[Kylo Ren]

Shannon Sharpe
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1329



Tony Gonzalez
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12400

[Red Dawg]

In two seasons he'll pass him on the TD mark.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I think it's odd to count playoff wins for a player... even a QB, that should be more of a team thing. I really can't validate comparing playoff wins between TEs. It's like comparing playoff wins for Left Tackles or something. The comparison flies with QBs ... possibly RBs, but that's about it.

Then why did you list Super Bowl rings when you listed their career stats?

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I think it's odd to count playoff wins for a player... even a QB, that should be more of a team thing. I really can't validate comparing playoff wins between TEs. It's like comparing playoff wins for Left Tackles or something. The comparison flies with QBs ... possibly RBs, but that's about it.

Like I said...not the most telling stat, but it does show contribution to the desired result. TG put in the contribution but he's not getting the results.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

It's possible...but not probable

If he stays healthy it's BOTH possible and probable. Please explain how it is not. Being a DONX fan and not wanting to accept such things is not a good reason...

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by TEX

Then why did you list Super Bowl rings when you listed their career stats?

Playoff wins is more granular than SB wins... if you want to remove Pro Bowls and Super Bowls from the stats, feel free.

[KingPriest2]

Stats broken down

Sharpe 7th round pick

3.99 catches pg
49.3 yards pg
.3 touchdowns pg
.67 20+ pg
2.31 first downs pg
17 40+
15.4 yards per catch highest

Started only two seasons all 16 games.
Started only 11 games but played in all 16 in first 2 years.

Gonzo 1st round pick

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 fdpg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Played but not start all 16 games rookie year.
Has started 95 straight games since.
Has led his team in receiving 3 times in 99,01,03 (yards)

I do see Gonzo breaking the records. He is more consistent then Sharpe.

Some thing that have caught my eye is Sharpe has a better avg catching 20+ and even better 40+ catches then Gonzo. But Sharpe does not catch that many TD catches.

[keg in kc]

Tony's best is still ahead of him, I think. If he remains healthy, his next 4 seasons will go down as the best consecutive string of years ever by a TE in NFL history. I'm talking 1000-1200 yards and 10-15 TDs a season, starting with what I believe will be a monster '04. I think Sharpe's records are safe, however, because I just don't see Gonzalez playing until he's 34 or 35.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Stats broken down

Sharpe 7th round pick

3.99 catches pg
49.3 yards pg
.3 touchdowns pg
.67 20+ pg
2.31 first downs pg
17 40+
15.4 yards per catch highest

Started only two seasons all 16 games.
Started only 11 games but played in all 16 in first 2 years.

Gonzo 1st round pick

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 fdpg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Played but not start all 16 games rookie year.
Has started 95 straight games since.
Has led his team in receiving 3 times in 99,01,03 (yards)

I do see Gonzo breaking the records. He is more consistent then Sharpe.

Some thing that have caught my eye is Sharpe has a better avg catching 20+ and even better 40+ catches then Gonzo. But Sharpe does not catch that many TD catches.

Another beauty about stats ... you can crunch them any way you like.

You say he started only two seasons all 16 games. His first few years, he played sparingly which is normal for a 7th round pick. However, there were only 3 seasons where he was active for less than 15 games. He missed 11 games in 99 when he was injured for the season.

You say that Gonzo is more consistent than Sharpe - I think that's rather subjective, when you are comparing 7 years to 14 years. Sharpe got off to a slow start and was hobbled by injuries for a couple of years, but since 1992, he has only dipped below 53 receptions 1 time - when he only played 5 games. And, since 1992, he's been over 60 receptions 11 years in a row.

Another thing that speaks to his consistency:
"One of four players to post 11 50-catch seasons, along with Jerry Rice (16), Andre Reed (13) and Cris Carter (11)."

Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Andre Reed ... and Shannon Sharpe. That is some elite company.

+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| 1990 den | 16 | 7 99 14.1 1 |
| 1991 den | 16 | 22 322 14.6 1 |
| 1992 den | 16 | 53 640 12.1 2 |
| 1993 den | 16 | 81 995 12.3 9 |
| 1994 den | 15 | 87 1010 11.6 4 |
| 1995 den | 13 | 63 756 12.0 4 |
| 1996 den | 15 | 80 1062 13.3 10 |
| 1997 den | 16 | 72 1107 15.4 3 |
| 1998 den | 16 | 64 768 12.0 10 |
| 1999 den | 5 | 23 224 9.7 0 |
| 2000 bal | 15 | 67 810 12.1 5 |
| 2001 bal | 16 | 73 811 11.1 2 |
| 2002 den | 12 | 61 686 11.2 3 |
| 2003 den | 15 | 62 770 12.4 8 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 202 | 815 10060 12.3 62

His TDs are not off the charts and he only led Denver in receiving twice, but that's not the job of the TE is it? Not in Denver or most other cities. Rod Smith has led the team since 1997. Prior to that it was Anthony Miller for a couple of years.

The bottom line is that in the grand scheme of things, it is kinda silly to say one player is the greatest of all times when you're talking about a league that spans the better part of a century.

Sharpe is one of the greatest of all time - without question and barring injury, Gonzo will be there in due time.

Splitting statistical hairs is fun, though.

[Mark M]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

As much as I couldn't stand him because he was a Donk and had a mouth that wouldn't quit he was one hell of a FB player.

Couldn't agree more. I hated Sharpe for one reason:

He was a Donkey. If he'd been a Chief, I would be his biggest fan. But he wasn't, so good riddance.

MM
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[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

It's possible...but not probable

Sharpes first 7 seasons.

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52


107 74 383 4884 12.7 31 69 12 217

3.5 cpg
45.6 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.64 20+ pg
2.02 FDs pg
12 40+

Compared to Tony G.s

TOTAL 111 95 468 5647 12.1 47 72 4 303

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 FDs pg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Sharpes last 7 seasons (total of 14)

1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 62 770 12.4 28 8 11 0 42



107 95 432 5176 11.9 31 67 5 256

4.0 cpg
48.3 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.62 20+ pg
2.39 FDs pg
5 40+

Tony G. has far better numbers then Sharpe had his first 7 seasons.
Tony G. has 85 more catches 763 more yards, 16 more TDs, 3 more 20+, 8 fewer 40+, and 82 more FD catches.

Come on think about it if Tony G. keeps this up and he will he could smash the records.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Playoff wins is more granular than SB wins... if you want to remove Pro Bowls and Super Bowls from the stats, feel free.

No, I don't want to do that. I just didn't understand your reasoning for including them.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Sharpes first 7 seasons.

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52


107 74 383 4884 12.7 31 69 12 217

3.5 cpg
45.6 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.64 20+ pg
2.02 FDs pg
12 40+

Compared to Tony G.s

TOTAL 111 95 468 5647 12.1 47 72 4 303

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 FDs pg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Sharpes last 7 seasons (total of 14)

1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 62 770 12.4 28 8 11 0 42



107 95 432 5176 11.9 31 67 5 256

4.0 cpg
48.3 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.62 20+ pg
2.39 FDs pg
5 40+

Tony G. has far better numbers then Sharpe had his first 7 seasons.
Tony G. has 85 more catches 763 more yards, 16 more TDs, 3 more 20+, 8 fewer 40+, and 82 more FD catches.

Come on think about it if Tony G. keeps this up and he will he could smash the records.

That was my point but Garcia saw it otherwise. Don't really know how except that it might have been a case for only seeing what he wanted to see...

[cdcox]

Gonzo's numbers already match up pretty closely with Kellen Winslow's. So a case could be made for the HOF even if he never played another down. Two more typical Gonzo years would make him a lock, IMO.

What Sharpe has done over a career is truely impressive. Glad he is gone.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Sharpes first 7 seasons.

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52


107 74 383 4884 12.7 31 69 12 217

3.5 cpg
45.6 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.64 20+ pg
2.02 FDs pg
12 40+

Compared to Tony G.s

TOTAL 111 95 468 5647 12.1 47 72 4 303

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 FDs pg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Sharpes last 7 seasons (total of 14)

1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 62 770 12.4 28 8 11 0 42



107 95 432 5176 11.9 31 67 5 256

4.0 cpg
48.3 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.62 20+ pg
2.39 FDs pg
5 40+

Tony G. has far better numbers then Sharpe had his first 7 seasons.
Tony G. has 85 more catches 763 more yards, 16 more TDs, 3 more 20+, 8 fewer 40+, and 82 more FD catches.

Come on think about it if Tony G. keeps this up and he will he could smash the records.

Another fun way to work stats. Let's see how the next 7 years go.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Gonzo's numbers already match up pretty closely with Kellen Winslow's. So a case could be made for the HOF even if he never played another down. Two more typical Gonzo years would make him a lock, IMO.

What Sharpe has done over a career is truely impressive. Glad he is gone.

While we're at it, let's talk about Terrell Davis and how his numbers stack up against the greats that are in the HOF.

TG doesn't have the longevity... only 1 - thousand yard season. Only top 10 in receptions 1 time - top 10 in TDs 3 times. He's been a great player for a short time at this point, he's on pace for total greatness without a doubt.

If Gonzo quit today or was sucked up by a twister... he would not warrant HOF induction.