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Old 09-19-2004, 05:03 PM   #1
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I actually noticed the majority of our passing plays were over the middle...what happend to sideline and curl routes? Green missed a couple of WIDEOPEN WR's today prolly becasue he only trusts TG right about now.....we need to get Smith and Parker more involved in practice so Trent will throw to them on gameday
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:12 PM   #2
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We have a very young team that will get better as time goes on...
Thanks for the response, but I still sense people are dreaming.

We have the same defense as last year, they couldn't tackle then either.

Holliday/Hicks/Browning/Sims/Fujita/Barber/McCleon/Wesley/Woods/Warfield are 3rd year vets or (much) older....I don't understand how they are suddenly going to become good tacklers or smart players.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:49 PM   #3
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"On defense we just have to tackle. Really just to better tacking and things are a lot different."

I'm asking this question with complete honesty...I'm not trying to be a smart ass:

Why do you think they will ever get better at tackling?

These same players have been terrible tacklers for 2 years or more, what is suddenly going to change that?

A focus on fundamentals would help a lot. They are tackling high and not wrapping up.
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:33 PM   #4
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Gunther should chew their asses out after the last 2 weeks. I can't imagine how pissed he has to be.
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Old 09-19-2004, 06:44 PM   #5
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Gunther should chew their asses out after the last 2 weeks. I can't imagine how pissed he has to be.
Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:06 PM   #6
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Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.
I agree with this, but at the same time I have to wonder this.

Why the **** was Gunther using a 3 man rush and zones so many times when the Chiefs D got the Panthers in 3rd and long?
Does he look at the (lack of) talent and come to the conclusion that the secondary can't hold up in man.

What happened to that aggressive approach we have all been waiting for?
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:09 PM   #7
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See my sig. We've already dropped seven passes this year by my reckoning (I've been keeping a tally during the game. We had four today. Two by Richard Smith on back to back plays, one by Morton and one by Hall).

Trent Green is not playing well either. The last two years he's had problems in the first month of the season before breaking out and doing well the rest of the year. That, combined with the level of our opponents and injuries has led to an 0-2 start IMO.

It's too bad, because Green was 13-20 for 149 yards in the first half today. Second half he was an abysmal 4-14 for 38 yards. Disgusting.
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:09 PM   #8
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Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.
I agree, we have no one on defense that the opposing team needs to fear.
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:11 PM   #9
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I agree, we have no one on defense that the opposing team needs to fear.
The Panthers had 7 points and 43 yards rushing in the first half. Our defense spent way too much time on the field in the second half.

The offense is to blame for this mess.
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:57 PM   #10
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Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.
Today's game brilliantly illustrates this point. How many times were players in position to make a play, but because of poor tackling the offense converted? Gunther was making the right calls, the players just couldn't execute.

The only 2 defensive players worth a damn today were Warfield and Dalton.
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:57 PM   #11
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The missed tackling at the line was ridiculous, we had so many stops at the line that turned into 1st downs or 7 yard runs!
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:58 PM   #12
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Yuck.

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Dalton did some good things in there.

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I look forward to seeing them get healthier and put some things together against the Texans. We need to get this thing turned around. I am not pressing the panic button yet...
dalton did look good early on, but it looked like he ran out of steam after awhile...

or maybe they started double-teaming him instead of sims, i don't know...

as far as the texans, i worry that we can't even beat them if we play like we did today...
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Old 09-19-2004, 04:00 PM   #13
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as far as the texans, i worry that we can't even beat them if we play like we did today...
I agree on the O's side of the ball...

But I really think our defense did good and improved. That is my big point. Our offense hung them out to dry today. I don't expect the defense to do well if the offense is getting 3 and outs left and right there is no way for our defense to do well when they are forced to be on the field as much as they were...hell they even got 2 turnovers and the offense couldnt help them out.
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Old 09-19-2004, 04:03 PM   #14
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I agree on the O's side of the ball...

But I really think our defense did good and improved. That is my big point. Our offense hung them out to dry today. I don't expect the defense to do well if the offense is getting 3 and outs left and right there is no way for our defense to do well when they are forced to be on the field as much as they were...hell they even got 2 turnovers and the offense couldnt help them out.
yes, our d did some good things today...

even flashed a few times...

but they screwed up more often than not, it seemed...

the really bad plays cancelled out the good ones...
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Old 09-19-2004, 04:16 PM   #15
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The only thing I'll disagree with is the "defense wasn't that bad" part.

The defense was OK... for one half. Giving up a 13 play 9 minute drive is exactly what they did last week. Only they did it a quarter earlier than normal.

The D was pathetic in the 2nd half. A good defense holds that lead at home until the O explodes.

We saw that happen today. Problem was, it was the other teams D.
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