Chiefs are 63m under the cap

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Bowe is not the only reciever that was open A LOT that didn't get looks. Baldwin was open on MULTIPLE occassions. We need a QB that can look downfield , thats for sure.

[O.city]

One reason I wouldn't mind to keep Orton is that he does chuck it down field. I could stand more INTs if it's from him being aggressive down the field.


I think Baldwin would benefit alot from Orton.

[O.city]

Just ask yourself this zilla, if you put Cassel with Fitz or Megatron, would they put up the numbers they do now?


I think Bowe is a great wr, but a record setting guy I don't see it like Boss does.

I also don't know why Bowe has to be a top 3 guy. Is there anything wrong with having a top 6 or 7 wr in the league?

I agree that you are saying he hasn't done it in big games, but for me a wr is only as good as the quarterback given him. I would like to see what Bowe and Baldwin could do with Orton.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just ask yourself this zilla, if you put Cassel with Fitz or Megatron, would they put up the numbers they do now?


I think Bowe is a great wr, but a record setting guy I don't see it like Boss does.

I also don't know why Bowe has to be a top 3 guy. Is there anything wrong with having a top 6 or 7 wr in the league?

I agree that you are saying he hasn't done it in big games, but for me a wr is only as good as the quarterback given him. I would like to see what Bowe and Baldwin could do with Orton.

No, I never said he has to be top 3. I'm saying pay the guy. I'm just puzzled that people are so convinced that he's an elite receiver in this league or that he's going to shatter records. Again... the key for me is not stats or where he ranks. I want to know if he's a guy who will make big plays and can put together 3-4 straight badass playoff performances, even if elite defenses and corners get in your way. We just don't know that yet.

Yes, I believe Fitzgerald and Megatron could make bad Quarterbacks good in ways Bowe does not. They are more athletic, they are much quicker... these guys are just fine even as jumpball receivers--you just throw the ball up, and these guys are going to find a way to catch it. Fitzgerald had terrific production last season, by the way, around a shaky QB situation.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Orton and better talent around him makes the offense better, but it's probably going to make Bowe less productive. Charles is going to eat up a lot of yards. And Orton is going to spread the ball around.

[banyon]

Screw the Patriot Way, this is the Wal-Mart way, like they practice across the parking lot. Now we just have it with both teams. Awesome.

[O.city]

I agree about the playoff thing.

I don't think Bowe is at that level. I don't think he's maxed out yet. We just don't know for sure yet what he would be as the guy has put up really good number with shit at qb.

I think he could be a top 5 or 6 wr for the next 5 years. I think you have a better chance to win a SB by having 3 or 4 guys that are really good than having 1 superstar and 2 or 3 JAGs. I think a group of Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and one more really solid wr is more than enough weapons at wr.

I'd sign the guy.

[O.city]

Bowe is gonna put up good to great number because that's what he is. A good to great wr. We don't need the top wr in the league to win a SB.


I don't think he can ever be in the class of those top 3 guys, simply becasue they are that talented. It's not a knock on Bowe, but a compliment to those guys.

[Epic Fail 007]

Because we are going after drew brees duh

[O.city]

Just read on Insider that the Jets might dump Dustin Keller.


Interested?

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just read on Insider that the Jets might dump Dustin Keller.


Interested?

Don't know a lot about Keller specifically. He would need to be a good blocker to add depth at a position we could really use it.

[BossChief]

Calvin Johnson 2010

1120 yards
12 tds

Calvin Johnson 2011

1681 yards
16 tds

What was the difference?

Im saying that if we could get a legit guy like that to throw him the ball, I have no doubts he could put up HUGE numbers because he has shown the ability to put up very impressive numbers with the jokers he has had at quarterback.

If Bowe can catch 15 with Cassel, I think he could add 4-5 more with a legit guy.

I understand there are gonna be some that don't agree with that.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Calvin Johnson 2010

1120 yards
12 tds

Calvin Johnson 2011

1681 yards
16 tds

What was the difference?

Im saying that if we could get a legit guy like that to throw him the ball, I have no doubts he could put up HUGE numbers because he has shown the ability to put up very impressive numbers with the jokers he has had at quarterback.

If Bowe can catch 15 with Cassel, I think he could add 4-5 more with a legit guy.

I understand there are gonna be some that don't agree with that.

Bowe caught 15 TDs because of Charles.

Statistically speaking, nothing else from Bowe changed other than the TDs. His catches were down from career highs and his yards were virtually the same.

Bowe caught 15 TDs because the Chiefs were successfully running the ball and Bowe was the only receiver on the team for RZ catches.

A quality QB is going to look at more than just Bowe now that we have Breaston and Baldwin.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Bowe caught 15 TDs because of Charles.

Statistically speaking, nothing else from Bowe changed other than the TDs. His catches were down from career highs and His yards were virtually the same.

Bowe caught 15 TDs because the Chiefs were successfully running the ball and Bowe was the only receiver on the team for RZ catches.

A quality QB is going to look at more than just Bowe now that we have Breaston and Baldwin.

Matt Stafford threw 25 touchdowns to receivers that arent named Calvin.

Calvin had 16

The weapons are here for a quarterback to have a huge year and Bowe would probably get the cream.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Matt Stafford threw 25 touchdowns to receivers that arent named Calvin.

Calvin had 16

The weapons are here for a quarterback to have a huge year and Bowe would probably get the cream.

The talent gap from Johnson to Burleson is a lot bigger than Bowe to Baldwin/Breaston.

One could argue that Baldwin would become the primary RZ target.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by jd1020

The talent gap from Johnson to Burleson is a lot bigger than Bowe to Baldwin/Breaston.

Matt Cassel threw 12 touchdowns to receivers not named Bowe in 2010, and the talent gap between Bowe and whatever scrub was #2 at any given time in that season was Christy Morgan sized chasm.