Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The current roster isn't nearly as good as you are making them out to be. If we're serious about a Super Bowl run, then we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking 2 or 3 guys suddenly puts us in the same conversation as a seriously re-stacked Denver and New England team, let alone Seattle and San Fran. So to me, for as much as people talk about empty wins, if we spent on those 3 guys and we still aren't Super Bowl winners, then those were empty wins where we incurred a lot of back-end debt to subsidize it.

Our best chance at a run is 2015. And we can actually be on the same playing field as Denver or New England with two excellent drafts, by extending Houston, Berry, and Smith. So if our best shot at a run in 2015, then I'd rather spend the big free agent dollars when the money is actually available versus doing a bunch of gymnastics in 2014 mostly to free up money for a year 1 run where we are still big long shots to win it all.

Hopeless...How about the Chiefs signing key free agents AND drafting well???? That way they don't have to hit home runs on EVERY pick...Just amazes me how you refuse to see that...But thats the thing about beng a BB GM - there are no consequences for being as wrong as you are.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

Hopeless...How about the Chiefs signing key free agents AND drafting well???? That way they don't have to hit home runs on EVERY pick...Just amazes me how you refuse to see that...But thats the thing about beng a BB GM - there are no consequences for being as wrong as you are.

Just amazes me how much you are banking on making a run in 2014.

We don't have to hit a home run with every pick. I am talking about waiting for money to naturally become available, and then spending money smartly once we have it. That will happen in 2015 and 2016. It's the same thing as asking if you want to buy something on loan where you pay the consequences later versus waiting until money becomes available before you start spending it. I don't think we should be so desperate to make that run this year that we start giving up picks and hurting our future cap value.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Just amazes me how much you are banking on making a run in 2014.

We don't have to hit a home run with every pick. I am talking about waiting for money to naturally become available, and then spending money smartly once we have it. That will happen in 2015 and 2016. It's the same thing as asking if you want to buy something on loan where you pay the consequences later versus waiting until money becomes available before you start spending it. I don't think we should be so desperate to make that run this year that we start giving up picks and hurting our future cap value.

Most of us are amazed that you are banking on making a run in 2015 or 2016. People have only been doing that since this board started (and even before).

[Discuss Thrower]

Forget about it BossChief. Whatever KC does this year is house money.

I just hope there's a consistent plan to win 4-5 years down the line with whatever guys they can get in the next few drafts.

Maybe Bray will be be the next Tom Brady or something.

[stonedstooge]

Funny that the league a few short years ago had to initiate a Salary Floor because 2 named teams, the Cheaps and the Bucs, were not spending NFL provided monies at a minimal rate, but now CHunt's not cheap? Amazing turnaround

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

Funny that the league a few short years ago had to initiate a Salary Floor because 2 named teams, the Cheaps and the Bucs, were not spending NFL provided monies at a minimal rate, but now CHunt's not cheap? Amazing turnaround

And now that the NFL has a floor and has strict rules about how money counts against the cap, it doesn't make sense to blame any current problems on being cheap.

[Mecca]

Basically what happened is whether Dorsey or Reid felt the Chiefs were a rebuilding team or not. Hunt wasn't going to allow them to win 2 games again, his ass was on the line and people were talking about him.

He needed them to win some games to take his ass off the fire. Problem is now they made moves to become respectable and proceeded to make the playoffs and set the expectations much higher than I think Dorsey and Reid would like them to be.

Personally I think they thought they'd be competitive and win 5-8 games, it explains that round stip in the Smith trade. Then all of the sudden they went out and play better than that and set expectations. So now the plan they had to rebuild while looking competent and not being a bottom feeder has been derailed.

People have expectations now and they're still approaching this like a team that won 6 games because that was the plan all along.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Basically what happened is whether Dorsey or Reid felt the Chiefs were a rebuilding team or not. Hunt wasn't going to allow them to win 2 games again, his ass was on the line and people were talking about him.

He needed them to win some games to take his ass off the fire. Problem is now they made moves to become respectable and proceeded to make the playoffs and set the expectations much higher than I think Dorsey and Reid would like them to be.

Personally I think they thought they'd be competitive and win 5-8 games, it explains that round stip in the Smith trade. Then all of the sudden they went out and play better than that and set expectations. So now the plan they had to rebuild while looking competent and not being a bottom feeder has been derailed.

People have expectations now and they're still approaching this like a team that won 6 games because that was the plan all along.

Good post. That's the way I see it too.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Good post. That's the way I see it too.

Shame on Clark then...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Shame on Clark then...

I can't defend the moves they did. I hated the Fisher pick (I wanted Geno, even if I don't bitch about it today). I actually took a little shit for saying last year that Dorsey looked raw when trying to trade Albert and in overpaying for Dwayne Bowe.

I don't really blame their reason for doing it. I don't know how you could sell in another rebuild after what the fans went through. I don't care about appeasing the true fans. But Arrowhead needed it. Reid needed to feel good about winning again. Players had to start to enjoying going to work again.

Again, if they don't draft well and that 2013 strategy comes back to bite him, you're right… shame on Clark. But if Dorsey does his job, it won't.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Shame on Clark then...

I think they should do some changing in theory after the year they had but I just don't see it.

The Chiefs have never ever been a huge cash team. He threw up a bunch of cash last year so people would stop talking about him and typically the next year is nothing.

Get ready they are approaching this like a team that just won 5 games, most likely Hali and Flowers are gone after this year. They'll most likely try to keep Houston but I wouldn't be surprised if Berry and Bowe are gone in the next 2 years either.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think they should do some changing in theory after the year they had but I just don't see it.

The Chiefs have never ever been a huge cash team. He threw up a bunch of cash last year so people would stop talking about him and typically the next year is nothing.

Get ready they are approaching this like a team that just won 5 games, most likely Hali and Flowers are gone after this year. They'll most likely try to keep Houston but I wouldn't be surprised if Berry and Bowe are gone in the next 2 years either.

I really don't see that happening. The Hunts have a long history of keeping their own. Of course there are a few exceptions. But for the most part, they are loyal to their own. Ted Thompson also comes from that school. I would be stunned if we don't keep Houston, Hali, Flowers, Berry, and Alex Smith. What I don't want is to be the usual Chiefs and over promise stuff to these guys to the point where we overpay them when they're past their prime.

[Mecca]

Also the Packers get rid of guys all the time, they've kept a handful of guys.

They paid Rodgers and Matthews and uh yea nobody else.

[Mecca]

Oh and I even forgot to mention if the team is doing what it's suppose to, Charles and Derrick Johnson are about done here too.

[Discuss Thrower]

Well if they're not good enough to compete this year they probably won't be good enough the next season.

Tear it down John. Trade anything not bolted down and stockpile draft picks. Let's go all in for 2017.