I am a GOOD American

[Rausch]

man, while english is the most POPULAR language in America, it is not the official language. We don't have one.

And soon, very soon, more people WILL speak spanish as their man language. Schools SHOULD start making that manditory as well...

Originally posted by Rick Stephens
Taco

Language and speech are entirely different. If one were to say to you the number "one" in English they would say "one." If they were to say to you "one" in Spanish the would say"uno" So as you can see "one" means "one" reguardless of what language you say it in. But it does not change the fact that English is still the language of the United States of America. This is the reason that all our schools teach English as the primary language.

Congress Shall Pass No Law Abridging The Freedom Of Speech.

Language is a vehicle of speech. You cannot seperate them, and Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech. Speech. It is expression. In any language. It is a constitutional gurantee.

That is "one" point you can't esacape. English, yes, is the primary language. Yes, schools teach english. But Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom to free speech.

I'm more than happy to recite the constitution over and over and over again for you, until it sinks in.

[Rick Stephens]

Brad you need to do a little checking of the laws of this country. To become a citizen of this country you must pass a test showing that you can read and write and have an understanding of the English language. This is the reason that English is the primary language taught in our schools. You show me one school district where anything other than English is taught as the primary language. It may not be the Official language of this country but it is the language that is spoken in most places. I just saw where a woman in Alabama lost a suit because they did not offer a drivers license test in her native language. She complained that it was unfair that the written and driving test were all done in English. The courts ruled against her.

[Rausch]

The constitution, provided by the 13th ammendment: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPT AS A PUNISHMENT FOR CRIME WHEREOF THE PARTY SHALL have been duly convicted[...])

THis states clearly that if convicted of a crime the government can LEGALLY deem you property, and a slave of the state. You can then LEGALLY be entered into slavery.


Wow...Guess what nationality makes up 72% of the prison population? You guessed it, the slaves of 200 years ago. My, how times DON'T always change....

I'll bet you they had that test available in both english and spanish though.

The woman likely wasn't speaking either.

Still, taking the test in her native language isn't a guranteed constitutional right. Speaking in her native language is though.

[Rausch]

the courts at one time also ruled that "seperate but equal" was constitutional, though it clearly was not. Courts make mistakes, that one did.


We have no official language...Period.


SO being required to learn a SPECIFIC One may give you an advantage, it should NOT be required.

I respect your opinion, I just don't agree! :-)#

[Rick Stephens]

Brad,

And whos fault is it that they make up 72% of the prison population?

[Rausch]

That's not an easy question to answer. Blacks tend to commit more crime. THe question is, why?

Poverty breeds contempt. Comtempt with the rich, with a Govt that doesn't care, with themsleves. I lucked out as a kid. I was worthless too. I got a white judge, a white officer who caught me, and NO penalty other than community service.


I nearly beat a kid to death. That is not pride. That's the worst thing one human being did to another. You know what? I feel guilty. A black kid, same town, two weeks later did the same thing. He ended up in a "looney ben." Why? He had "VIolent tendancies." No kidding. So did I.


It's called testosteroine...Men get that at puberty and loose their minds. I lucked out in an imperfect Juvenile court. Many didn't. I looked nice, dressed nice, and due to a good education could play nice and talk nice. Others couldn't. Others went "down the river." Life isn't always fair, the problem is we loose our ability to care when we hear about it soo much. It doesn't make it less true, just less important...

[KCTitus]

TJ Posted:
For your benefit, I will repost... Please keep up with the discussion next time, especially if you are going to be name calling the whole time...

Please point me to a post where I called you a name...

TJ Posted:
First of all, from your response, it is obvious that you aren't paying attention to what is going on here. You just *think* that you have.

I have read every post, although many havent because they are confused by your name calling and your confusion over illegal immigration vs. LEGAL immigration.

Since you have obviously forgotten, here's the original exchange...It pretty much broke down from here. Since I dont have post #'s, you 'll have to go back to the 3rd to last page if you dont trust my C&P:

frazod's post:
What to do about it is beyond me, expect perhaps putting a couple of army divisions on the border and kill anything that tries to cross it. That would be good for starters. Perhaps we could get a few more divisions to weed out all the illegals that are here now and ship them right the hell back from whence they came. That would be a good follow-up.

Note: I bolded some key phrases and words that fail to identify this as a strictly 'mexican' problem.

TJ's Response:
Frazod. You are a racist piece of garbage, and are the real source of problems in America....Shooting mexicans? You don't deserve the freedom this great country provides you

From that point forward, you beat the racist drum drowning out any real discussion about the problem. You were not interested in discussing it any further, rather you were interested in playing the name calling game. Lapdog, correctly, called you on it and at that point only after reading the entire thread, agreed and tried to get an explanation from you as to your errant use of the word fascist.

[KCTitus]

Now, let's respond to your 'opportunity' editorial.

Your first comment was that wages in mexico are terribly low and that this the result of because of American infulence in Mexican politics. I dont believe this to be true and would appreciate a source/link or some factual background.

You go on to state that American companies enjoy 'cheap' labor. Cheap in relation to what? To American labor? Yes, they are different. The reason for this is America has Labor Unions that have driven the price of labor very high, also the American worker is more skilled and more efficient than foreign labor. Most American workers are not willing to work or do the work that, in this case, Mexican nationals do, so American companies take some mfg plants to Mexico where they can produce goods at a lower per unit cost.

So you conclude that since the American economy is willing to pay higher wages for unskilled jobs, this is the reason for illegal immigration. I disagree, the lure, yes, is the high wages, but illegal immigration happens because it is EASY to illegally cross the U.S. Border, be it Texas, Florida, California or the Northern Border.

This EASE is what I consider to be the problem, not the U.S. Economy or the minimum wage of unskilled work.

Now, you ask me to consider what happens if we stop illegal immigration. Your conclusion is that Farmers will have to pay Americans higher wages or go out of business. The farming industry is a dying industry because mechanized farms can do the work faster and cheaper, my guess would be that since no one could 'pick beets', beet prices would rise, demand would grow, and it would become financially lucrative for an entrepreneur to figure out a way to farm beets for a profit.

So, in short, you have stated that American economy, which you label 'opportunity' is to blame. I disagree, I believe the problem is the 'opportunity' to break the law exists.

As far as solutions, I dont see you offering any, so why should anyone else? You 'seem' to have it all figured out...Im guessing that from your identification of the problem, one should eliminate the 'temptation' of opportunity thus solving the problem.

As for your second issue, the drug problem, you might be suprised to know that I agree that the U.S. should consider legalizing and regulating certain narcotics. Of course, Im a firm believer that if you want to essentially eliminate something, let the government regulate it.

Last, I would guess that many of the problems could be resolved if the Mexican govt spent more time trying to better its economy and allowing its workers to organize into Union labor just as the American economy needed to many years ago. Mexican govt could establish a minimum wage for its labor base as well.

Unfortunately, as the U.S., we cannot write Mexican laws. That requires the Mexican govt.
How would YOU eliminate 'opportunity'?

[Clint in Wichita]

Blah blah blah.

I believe my eyebrows were just singed off by all the hot air contained in this thread.

Originally posted by Clint in Wichita
Blah blah blah.

I believe my eyebrows were just singed off by all the hot air contained in this thread.

Yeah. After that last post Clint just made, mine are too.

Hey Clint. If you take away the jobs, you take away one of the major reasons to cross the border in the first place. A very large portion of the illegal immigrants that cross do it only for the summer jobs, and go back to Mexico to live like kings after the harvest.

You're telling me that the chicken crossed the road just to get to the other side. I'm telling you that the chicken crossed the road to get the bigger worms.

I don't have time this morning to get into it in any depth, but we can all take comfort knowing that I'm right.

[Raiderhater]

Originally posted by Taco John


The reason I haven't posed a solution is because I'm not going to pretend that there is an easy answer. It's not as easy as putting up a border guard... And every solution costs more money... The question then becomes, is the money we are spending to combat this problem going to be more or less than we are paying with the status quo. The answer is most likely "no."

I don't have all the facts and figures. Neither do you.

Then why in the he!! are you demanding that we give solutions? You, who seems to have the problem cornered, can't give us a solution but, you insist that we come up with one. Until you are ready to suggest a course of action, quit harping on others to do it. The age old saying of "practice what you preach" applies here.

[Raiderhater]

Originally posted by Taco John
Again... I've gone a whole evening... And not one of you... Not even ONE of you have been able to address the points that I brought up... What I have gotten is a lot of name calling.

But give yourselves a good pat on the back... You are "working me over." Right?

What the he!! are you talking about? I addressed your point about Mexico being one bid desert. Please keep up with the conversation next time.... (paybacks are a b i itch aren't they?)

[Raiderhater]

I ask you, where in the constitution does it say that Americans should all be forced to speak one language? It doesn't. In fact, the constitution gurantees you exactly the opposite... It gurantees you freedom to speak the way you want to speak; to express yourself the way you want to express yourself.

Hey Donko,
I hate to burst your bubble (not really), but if you go back and read the Founders words you would see that freedom of speech was put into place mainly for political reasons. They didn't want your political speech silenced. Nor other forms of speech, but the main reason was for politics, not so you would feel at [your old] home speaking your native tounge.