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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-22-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

we need a larger sample size than one ****ing season before we start adorning everyone "dumbasses"

Clark/Pioli/Haley deserve a fair shot at proving themselves and I'm telling you right now that one season is not a fair shot... I'll hear nothing different. Good night everyone (except Dane... **** you Dane)

Before you go off into the land of Rainbows and Unicorns, I'd like you to give us TWO reasons why Haley should return next year.

Caveat: Neither reason can be because he's a rookie head coach and needs more time to develop OR that the roster isn't talented enough.

I'll be waiting.

SPATCH · 12-22-2009, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

You think Holmgren is going to give Mangini another year?

obviously no.

holmgren didn't hire mangini, he's going to be ****ed.

Pioli, however, hired Haley.

BYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Brock · 12-22-2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

obviously no.

holmgren didn't hire mangini, he's going to be ****ed.

Pioli, however, hired Haley.

BYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What, Pioli can't admit he ****ed up?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-22-2009, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Guess it is time to shut it down... Close up the franchise and just quit.... No need to continue!

Oooh! Just a littlle outside!

**DeezNutz** · 12-22-2009, 12:13 AM

How many years does Zorn deserve in Washington?

Anyone watch that game tonight?

.

We can't judge this man, yet.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-22-2009, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

How many years does Zorn deserve in Washington?

Anyone watch that game tonight?

.

We can't judge this man, yet.

Snyder's a terrible owner. He should stop changing coaches and keep Zorn for at least three more years.

THEN he can be adequately judged.

**BossChief** · 12-22-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

His expectations were to hire the biggest name out there, hand him keys to the franchise and look the other way.

That is pretty much what a good owner should do. Right? Not trying to argue here, but really what are you expecting him to do other than what he has done?

Pioli may have a lot of knocks on him, but one of those isnt that he couldnt effectivelty sign players to bolster the roster and to trade for difference makers. Those had been his responsibilities that he performed in NE to the highest level and should be given a chance to do so here for more than one offseason before declaring him a failure. The list of FAs he helped bring in to NE when he first got there wasnt impressive either, but the list of players he signed and traded for during the last 10 years there is quite impressive.

SPATCH · 12-22-2009, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Before you go off into the land of Rainbows and Unicorns, I'd like you to give us TWO reasons why Haley should return next year.

Caveat: Neither reason can be because he's a rookie head coach and needs more time to develop OR that the roster isn't talented enough.

I'll be waiting.

1. Continuity within the organization

2. He hasn't assembled a staff he is comfortable and on the same page with (coordinators mainly)

and for shits...

LOYALTY AND FAIRNESS

**DeezNutz** · 12-22-2009, 12:16 AM

Zorn and his ****ing fake FG.

.

There's only one other coach in the league who might do that. And, yes, 4-8-28, gives us evidence that it's a possibility.

Brock · 12-22-2009, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Zorn and his ****ing fake FG.

.

There's only one other coach in the league who might do that. And, yes, 4-8-28, gives us evidence that it's a possibility.

Is that more or less stupid than faking a punt with Brodie Croyle?

**DeezNutz** · 12-22-2009, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

1. Continuity within the organization

2. He hasn't assembled a staff he is comfortable and on the same page with (coordinators mainly)

and for shits...

LOYALTY AND FAIRNESS

2. He's not comfortable with his defensive coordinator? We'd agree that the "D" is probably the biggest area of concern, right?

**DeezNutz** · 12-22-2009, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Is that more or less stupid than faking a punt with Brodie Croyle?

In theory, the punt was exponentially worse.

But the execution of the FG, oh my the ****ing execution, might put Zorn's fake over the top.

Still, if I'm the GM of either of those teams, there would be little hope of me not being on the sideline after such stupidity, or destroying a club suite at the very least.

Brock · 12-22-2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

2. He's not comfortable with his defensive coordinator? We'd agree that the "D" is probably the biggest area of concern, right?

Whoa, whoa. You can't judge Clancy on one season.

**DeezNutz** · 12-22-2009, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Whoa, whoa. You can't judge Clancy on one season.

True. He's only working with, what?, 4 first rounders, a 2nd, and two 3rds.

What the **** do you want from a guy with 7 day-one picks? That's practically handing 300 ****ing yards to Harrison.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-22-2009, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

1. Continuity within the organization

Continuity? You want to continue with this bumble****? What in the world are you watching on Sundays?

Between the fake punts on 4th down on your own 28 to the dumbshit onside kicks to overall horrific playcalling to the constant shuffling of players in and out of the lineup, you want this dumbass to return?

The same dumbass who refuses to put his best and most talented players on the field each and every Sunday because when they make a mistake, they go in his "dog house" for half the season?

That's the continuity your seeking?

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

2. He hasn't assembled a staff he is comfortable and on the same page with (coordinators mainly)

Bullshit. He only had a few weeks less than most of the new hires. Are you telling me that even though he's had a long history with most of these coaches, he would have found better with just a few extra weeks?

and for shits...

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

LOYALTY AND FAIRNESS

Fairness? What the **** is that? Loyalty? Are you 75 years old?

There's no such thing in today's professional sports world (College, too).

Win, or get the **** OUT.

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3027187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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