ATTN: Any visitors that are upset about Bradberry's holding penalty and the refs.

[MMXcalibur]

[Hammock Parties]

it's a shame that happened

we were likely denied 4 TD game and an all time great moment in the SB

but we'll take the win too

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

Can't understand why Fox never showed the tug since they have multiple angles. They blew it bad. Also had a lousy post game.

Oh you mean you didn't like it when Bradshaw told Andy to "waddle over here" during the trophy presentation?

Then later followed up with "have a cheeseburger on us!"

Yeah, me neither

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I understand this argument, but unless you can tell me that there was a comparable hold earlier in the game that the refs saw clearly and deliberately chose not to flag, how does one argue that they hadn't been calling that all game? It's not like the refs are omnipotent.

Basic hand-fighting in the secondary is not equivalent to a clear tug of the jersey. My guess is if Bradbury only checked JuJu with his hands it wouldn't have been called.

^this^ and if he had only hand checked him he would have been beat for the first down, that then turned into another hold on the hip when he had to option the route to the wheel...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

Yes the throw was out of jujus reach. Yes, if Mahomes throws that same pass to the same spot and the hold didn't happen it probably still goes incomplete. But here's where that logic breaks down.

If juju doesn't get held, he comes out of that break wide open. Bradberry helps himself keep position as much as he hinders juju. And so juju will have yards of separation and Mahomes can just flip that ball to the front pylon for an easy td. Where the ball ended up is irrelevant to a defensive holding call. And that is what most of the analysts I've seen arguing against the call being made are missing.

Also, the ones saying, did they call any earlier in the game? The one juju complains about a no call would have been PI and wasn't on a break. And then funny enough all the other no call replays they used were eagles players getting away with could have been calls. Never did they show any chiefs players committing infractions that could have been penalties.

I think it was an option route, if he comes out of the Whip route and he's wide open, as he would have been without the hold, Mahomes puts it on his front shoulder and he gets the 1st down. If he is covered tightly he then turns it up in the wheel. He was held on both moves, period. It was the right call.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by scho63

I rewatched the game last night and rewound it about 50 times to take a close look at things.

The Eagles got away with 5 blatant penalties:

1. Earlier hold on both Bradbury and another DB on the same play. (2 flags)
2. Jason Kelce was 4 yards downfield before a Hurts pass and he leveled McDuffie on the play when blocking (1 flag)
3. Jalen Hurts had a designed run to the left and linemen Maliata blocked Derrick Nnadi directly in the back, not even close (1 flag)
4. On the 30+/- punt return by the Eagles punt returner, the very first gunner blocker pushes our special teams guy 13 Johnson right in the back (1 penalty)
5. Lane Johnson had 2 false starts never called, one was so early it was horrible and Greg Olsen even joked about it. He had what looked like one more but he was perfectly timed and in slow mo it was not. (2 flags)

I tried to find any offensive holding on either team on the line and numerous times I thought it was, after a few replays it was not or I couldn't tell. Both Olines played damn clean.

Earlier one of the Chiefs looked like they got away with a DPI in the early third I think. It was Jaylen Williams from memory.

Our 3 penalties gave them 2 first downs, one on a long 3rd that they ran the clock to zero and Frank Clark jumped offsides and the second on 4th down near our goal line where Nnadi was drawn offsides.

The last was a false start that pushed us to a 2nd and 15 but not horrible.

The Eagles fans can all Cry Eagles Cry

You forgot the Frank Clark offsides while both guards were rocking backwards and the play clock was at 0 and the ball was never snapped.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The holding call was kind of odd. In that spot, at that moment, especially when they hadn't called holding all game to that point?

But it did meet the necessary parameters required to throw a flag, so I can't say it was a bad call. We spent a fair amount of time talking about it at my party, and of course the two PHI fans were apoplectic, but even they had to eventually concede that it was in fact holding, by the letter of the law.

It was more than a hold that meet the parameters. It was a hold that prevented JuJu from being wide open on a whip route for a 1st down gain, and again, he then tugged on his hip when he had to option it to the wheel route.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by notorious

Brass balls or no brains.

Take a pick.

Could be both.......

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

They didn’t call a holding earlier in the game.
That fumble for a TD WAS a catch.

They can all get ****ed.

Bump

[Rainbarrel]

Bolton would have been SB MVP. not in the script

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

Can't understand why Fox never showed the tug since they have multiple angles. They blew it bad. Also had a lousy post game.

The LIV postgame was also shit. Bradshaw may be tolerable in the studio - may be - but he sucks balls running the show when the game is over. Comes off as awkward, surly, cranky, and despite his decades of experience, unprepared.

I like how CBS puts up the championship graphics as soon as the game is over. None of that on Fox. Just their silly cartoon depictions of players after they score touchdowns.

How much longer does Fox's stranglehold on the Super Bowl last?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You forgot the Frank Clark offsides while both guards were rocking backwards and the play clock was at 0 and the ball was never snapped.

What about Mahomes getting hit in the head twice during that shoestring pass to Kelce. It was completely obvious. Also looked like a horse collar right before.

[jjchieffan]

I've found the best way to shut up the whiners. I can argue that it was a legit hold and Bradberry owned it. Doesn't matter. They still whine that it wasn't called all game. I can argue that the Eagles were false starting all night, doesn't matter. However, any time that I bring up the fumble that was overturned and the Goddert bobbled catch that wasn't, I ask, if the refs really were biased and helping the Chiefs, wouldn't you think that they could have ruled in the Chiefs favor in one of those very close calls? That drive resulted in a TD. I biased ref could have taken seven points off the board for the Eagles and put 7 up for the Chiefs. Crickets. Every single time. They just absolutely ignore what I said. They know that they just lost their argument and don't want to admit that they are just being a sore loser, so they just shut up and go away.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Mahomes probably intentionally sailed it so JuJu couldn't catch it. He's incredibly smart and was going for the defensive holding since a first down is infinitely more valuable than a Touchdown in that scenario. He's up and pointing right after getting hit.

Wouldn't surprise me if JuJu was instructed to do what he did in the case of a blatant hold. Abandon the route and get your ass into the end zone to sell the hold.

I've been thinking this too. Mahomes is so smart. He's like a second OC on the field.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

it's a shame that happened

we were likely denied 4 TD game and an all time great moment in the SB

but we'll take the win too

Our defense was so gassed. I was rooting really hard for a first down and not a TD.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You forgot the Frank Clark offsides while both guards were rocking backwards and the play clock was at 0 and the ball was never snapped.

I counted about 3 times the play clock hit double zero no flag but they did get them once for it.